UFC 121 - Lesnar vs. Velasquez
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I'd love to see Cain win but I dint think its likely Brock can take some punches and he's tough to submit between his wrestling skills, size, and strength. Someday someone will be the crap out of him though and I'll be happy.
I hope Lesnar does what he says hes gonna do after beating Cain, and that's to eat a taco and drink a corona in rememberance of his mexican heritage. I hate how Valasquez can have brown pride tattooed across his chest. If any white man had white pride tattooed on him it'd be the end of the world. All good fights and I hope Hamill takes out Ortiz and smakes his butt
fedor is garabage. he'd get rocked by lesnar. to big to fast to good of a wrestler bottom line carwin proved shots dont mean anything when ur punching a huge rock on shoulders. I dont believe cain wilp beat lesnar .2nd round Lesnar KO cain. Read somewhere that lesnar will be the first title holder in UFC history to sucessfully defend a championship belt in 3 consecutive fights. So for any1 to say lesnar is terrible obviously you have no idea what MMA is made of. Constant upgrade of talent and evolution of skills is why lesnar keeps winnng. He may go down as one of the best heavywieghts of all time
Westie;4568376; said:
This is just not true.
If you have been watching him at all, you have to give him the credit he deserves as an MMA fighter, his skills are always increasing.
Brock isn't just some big oaf. He is quicker than even most light heavyweights. I love watching him fight and evolve. I really like Cain, too, but I'm having a hard time going against him just like the Carwin fight. Cain has what it takes to beat Brock, but IDK if he's going to be big enough a/o pull it off. Sure, at the weigh-ins there should be only like a 20 pound difference if Cain is going to get up to 245 like he says, but Brock isn't going to stay at 265. The good thing is he won't gas out like Carwin, so he'll have a much better chance.
I'm really excited to see Shields make a run for the title. Really looking forward to the other 3 top 5 fights, too...hoping Diego will come back strong as I really like him as a fighter. Lots of other great fights too
I'm really excited to see Shields make a run for the title. Really looking forward to the other 3 top 5 fights, too...hoping Diego will come back strong as I really like him as a fighter. Lots of other great fights too
The anti Brock sentiment is kinda funny. However, it makes you look foolish because you're not analyzing the fight for what it is. Brock is an tremendous athlete who has come a long way in the short period of time he's been in MMA. To discount the accomplishment, skills, size, or power is only clouding your judgment. If you think that Cain easily overcomes a 35-40lb muscle weight advantage easily, you're out of your mind. If Cain comes in at 245, he'll have sand in his pockets and a bucket of fried chicken under each arm. Brock at 265 is cutting. The promo specials on Spike this week showed a pretty slim Lesnar, much more so than in previous fights.
Is there a chance Cain can win? Sure. Punchers always have a chance.
Do you think Cain will beat Brock in ground work? Not a chance.
This should be a pretty decent PPV this weekend.
This fight shouldn't have happened yet. It should have been a Junior Dos Santos/Cain Velasquez match up during the Carwin/Lesnar match up. But that would break down the HW division a bit more and doesn't allow the UFC to stretch out the hype leading up to these fights for the next year. I expect a Carwin vs winner JDS/Lesnar/Cain announcement soon. I really don't think either of them has a really good shot against Lesnar, but I'm sure we'll hear how Dos Santos is superior and more Lesnar hate when that fight comes around. But remember, Carwin gassed himself and was unable to finish Lesnar - a fight he was winning. If he had come in 20 lbs lighter and better cardio, I think it would have been a Carwin/Cain fight this weekend. I think Carwin is a stronger fighter than both Dos Santos and Cain. But those 3 haven't fought each other, so it's been a quick rise against less than stellar competition for all 3 of them. Hopefully, Carwin learns something from this and cuts down to about 255-260. I think that would make him a much better fighter and improve his cardio. He weighed in at 265, but went back up to 275-280 on fight night (I think).
As for Fedor, well, I said this a few years ago. By not fighting the best in the division, Fedor was going to mess around and get caught by someone who was well below his caliber - and it happened. Fedor is almost irrelevant now because of his contract situation, end of his career on the horizon, and lack of credible competition in his organizations. Fedor has also been 25-30lbs too fat most of his life anyway. If he competed at 205 (which is easily doable for his frame), he would have faced much tougher competition, probably would have lost a few times, but I think it would have shown him to be a much tougher fighter. I was a huge Fedor fan in the past, but it's hard to support someone when they're doing their best to duck the good fights. I think an Overeem/Fedor would be very telling for Fedor, but he ducks that fight, so we may never see it happen. Overeem wins that fight IMO, and it will be the first KO/stoppage of Fedor. I don't see a guillotine submission in that one.
Is there a chance Cain can win? Sure. Punchers always have a chance.
Do you think Cain will beat Brock in ground work? Not a chance.
This should be a pretty decent PPV this weekend.
This fight shouldn't have happened yet. It should have been a Junior Dos Santos/Cain Velasquez match up during the Carwin/Lesnar match up. But that would break down the HW division a bit more and doesn't allow the UFC to stretch out the hype leading up to these fights for the next year. I expect a Carwin vs winner JDS/Lesnar/Cain announcement soon. I really don't think either of them has a really good shot against Lesnar, but I'm sure we'll hear how Dos Santos is superior and more Lesnar hate when that fight comes around. But remember, Carwin gassed himself and was unable to finish Lesnar - a fight he was winning. If he had come in 20 lbs lighter and better cardio, I think it would have been a Carwin/Cain fight this weekend. I think Carwin is a stronger fighter than both Dos Santos and Cain. But those 3 haven't fought each other, so it's been a quick rise against less than stellar competition for all 3 of them. Hopefully, Carwin learns something from this and cuts down to about 255-260. I think that would make him a much better fighter and improve his cardio. He weighed in at 265, but went back up to 275-280 on fight night (I think).
As for Fedor, well, I said this a few years ago. By not fighting the best in the division, Fedor was going to mess around and get caught by someone who was well below his caliber - and it happened. Fedor is almost irrelevant now because of his contract situation, end of his career on the horizon, and lack of credible competition in his organizations. Fedor has also been 25-30lbs too fat most of his life anyway. If he competed at 205 (which is easily doable for his frame), he would have faced much tougher competition, probably would have lost a few times, but I think it would have shown him to be a much tougher fighter. I was a huge Fedor fan in the past, but it's hard to support someone when they're doing their best to duck the good fights. I think an Overeem/Fedor would be very telling for Fedor, but he ducks that fight, so we may never see it happen. Overeem wins that fight IMO, and it will be the first KO/stoppage of Fedor. I don't see a guillotine submission in that one.
