UFC 121 - Lesnar vs. Velasquez

[j4str]

well that was a disappointment. Lesners performance was very cocky. I think his game plan was to get the fight ended in the first minute. He came out swining for the fences. But then after he spent a minute or two holding cain up I knew he had to be so tired that he was about to get his ass kicked. I think if Lesner fought a "normal" fight, it would have been a different story.

 

[JacobWhitley]

They're fighting? Did I miss this?

I would argue that the hardest hitter is Shane Carwin. He also got KOed by Arlovski.

Maybe you missed the part where I agreed he has great skill. Maybe you missed the question - are you comparing a grappling tournament in 2003 (Nelson vs Mir) to Lesnar vs Mir? I don't understand how you can say Lesnar is cocky, but Nelson isn't? Really?

Are you suggesting that Nelson is the best in the HW division? If so, why is he not champ? If not, why isn't he? My assertion was that he should cut some weight, stop talking about "whoppers," and work hard to move down to 205.

As far as KO power, he has 2 KOs in his career, and a few TKOs for strikes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_nelson), so I guess it's KO power, but I wouldn't label him as a KO fighter.
Being fat isn't a good combination for a professional MMA fighter. You'll find that the vast majority of fighters that excel in their craft are ones that fight at their appropriate body weight. Fedor is the most notable exception. However, Fedor hasn't been (and won't be) anything important in the HW division.

I too, am a Fedor fan, but his involvement with the Russian mob (allegedly) has focused his career in a direction of irrelevance. Had he moved to fight real competition, he would be in a much better position to be the greatest fighter on the planet. His management has blocked any UFC contracts with ridiculous demands (they wanted a stadium to be built in Russia for Fedor).

His last 3 fights have been indicative of a fighter on the downslide (although still amazing). He was getting outboxed until Andre "Glassjaw" Arlovski found a way to lose. Rogers was beating on him pretty well until he got stopped. And getting tapped by Werdum isn't the way he thought his loss would come, was it? But getting tapped to a champion like Werdum isn't a bad thing, but you would expect more from the best in the world, right?

And please, whenever you take a breath, use a period. It makes things much easier to read.

when did i say Roy was the best HW in the UFC i said he had great ground game and couldn't get close to taking JDS down so Brock wont get him on his back but it dont matter we most likely wont see Brock fight JDS and for Fedor he is the pound for pound the best fighter in the world sorry not losing for 10 years puts him up there and stop going to the site you get your info from its making you look silly they didn't sign the deal because UFC wouldn't let M-1 co-promote the night of Fedor's fight and about his last fight he thought he stunned Werdum and went in for the kill and just got locked in it happends thats 1 real lose out of 30+ fights and i cant wait to see that rematch its gonna be a blood bath

 

[McPhishy]

Lesnars ONLY weapon are take downs and ground and pound. Cain was the only guy I think to actually defend one of Brock's take downs. Not to mention Cain has heavy hands and actually took Brock down. I think when Brock couldn't take Cain down he(Brock) panicked. The Diego fight was the best though...

 

[Clay]

I find it nearly impossible to respond to you because of your inability to convey your opinion. Try punctuation.

 

[hamato_yoshii]

well that was a disappointment. Lesners performance was very cocky. I think his game plan was to get the fight ended in the first minute. He came out swining for the fences. But then after he spent a minute or two holding cain up I knew he had to be so tired that he was about to get his ass kicked. I think if Lesner fought a "normal" fight, it would have been a different story.

I don't understand this, what is a "normal" fight?

 

[hamato_yoshii]

Fedor and alistar overeem are better then the UFC HW's

Wow, its hard to say that when they aren't fighting top talent consistently.

 

[balton777]

I don't understand this, what is a "normal" fight?

Not getting taken down and getting your face bashed in? Oh never mind, he did that with Carwin too so I guess it's becoming normal for him.

 

[fishguts]

so does anyone think that sombody can dominate the heavyweight division? i dont think so. brock can come in at anytime and take somebody down and ground and pound to win a title but at the same time he can get his head knocked off and loose the title. shane carwin can come in knock people out but get taken down and loose the ground war. cain and frank mir i think are just to small to keep the belt so is there anybody out there like gsp for the heavyweight division?

 

[balton777]

That's what I want to see too, someone who can come in and dominate. The HW division needs a superhero.

 

[SumoNinja]

just because you haven't seen him on his back doesn't mean hes bad hes a world BJJ brown belt it just means hes got great takedown def. did you see the JDS/Roy Nelson fight if not watch it

i didn't say he was bad off his back. what I meant is that his ground game is still in question. we can't say either or. just because you train with great jj guys doesn't automatically make you a great jj guy. frank mir is a black belt, his black belt didn't help much. yes i saw the jds/nelson fight. I picked jds to win. and roy not being able to take jds down doesn't necessarily tell me jds has great take down defense.

i think brock and cain would be able to take jds down. i'd pick jds and cain both to beat brock. well we know now that cain can beat brock, but i think junior can also. i just felt cain's style favored him more against brock compared to junior. before cain beat him, i gave brock the slight edge against junior though

he wants to fight alistar overeem next and he is better then every HW in the UFC so no the UFC is not as great as everyone puts it out to be most of the top fighter aren't in the UFC

UFC's hw div is home for most of the true top hw's in the world. overeem is untested. he has not yet fought a true top contender. he's only been running thru heavy weight cans. in the past, every top contender he's fought, he's folded to. He doesn't have a good chin and folds under pressure. we'll see soon enough how he will do against werdum or fedor.

Now Carwin or JDS needs to knock Cain back down. As happy as I am to see someone beat Lesnar the whole Brown Pride thing kind of annoys me

I truly don't get this. if one is proud of his nationality even though he was born in a america or wherever it is, why should that person not have pride in that? why does it annoy you?

and i don't think junior will beat cain. if cain beats junior, i'll consider him the undisputed champ. i don't see any one else in there right now to beat cain.

However, Fedor hasn't been (and won't be) anything important in the HW division.

His last 3 fights have been indicative of a fighter on the downslide (although still amazing). He was getting outboxed until Andre "Glassjaw" Arlovski found a way to lose. Rogers was beating on him pretty well until he got stopped. And getting tapped by Werdum isn't the way he thought his loss would come, was it? But getting tapped to a champion like Werdum isn't a bad thing, but you would expect more from the best in the world, right?

he was and still is very important in the hw division. make no mistake about it

AA was not outboxing him. winning the fight? sure up until the ko, he was controlling the tempo, but if you watch and even slow mo the fight at some points, AA never lands anything flush or significant. Fedor was avoiding and slipping shots. It was still early on and Fedor just needed more time to adjust and find his range.

rogers was not beating on him. fedor gets cut easily, he got cut from a jab. roger landed like 2 or 3 punches on the ground which scored but they didn't hurt fedor. and had it not been for the fence or time running out, fedor may have secured the armbar. i don't remember the exact details but i never felt that rogers had fedor in trouble or even winning the fight before the ko

werdum will still be the underdog in a rematch. it's not a surprize werdum who is a jj champ, subbed fedor. he can sub anybody on any given night.