uk medication for hystrix

[yargnits]

thank you ade and aquaman . they are both female as i unfortunatly lost the male but i have to agree that the larger one has one of the best patterns ive seen. shes greedy as hell too . as im sure you know photos can be misleading and the smaller one is just that.

ill look forward to your reply and ill keep the thread updated

thanks again

 

[hereticlosmorte]

also remember, rays are just like humans. you will see size variations. some grow to be smaller, some larger.
if wild caught, you also don't know exactly when they were born, just a ballpark estimate. one could be months younger than the other.
i don't see a real concern from your pics.

 

[yargnits]

Firstly , the fat one is one beautiful hystrix. Stunning...
The other, is noticeably smaller, but the tail is still not thin and looks ok, just no where near as fat. Thing is , if that had paracites then surely the other one would probably have them seeing as they share the tank for a year...

i read this again and thought this interesting as i have no idea how the parasites would get from ray to ray. would they both have parasites because one has or what . i have no idea at all. yes i can guess but who do internal parasites travel between rays ?

 

[hereticlosmorte]

i read this again and thought this interesting as i have no idea how the parasites would get from ray to ray. would they both have parasites because one has or what . i have no idea at all. yes i can guess but who do internal parasites travel between rays ?

they travel in the water. one ray poops, there are some parasites in the feces, other ray comes into contact, can transfer over.
if they are not separated, there is a greater chance of transfer as well, due to contact.
could be from an unclean food source they ate before being imported.

there are many possibilities.

 

[Ade]

they travel in the water. one ray poops, there are some parasites in the feces, other ray comes into contact, can transfer over.
if they are not separated, there is a greater chance of transfer as well, due to contact.
could be from an unclean food source they ate before being imported.

there are many possibilities.

Spot on

 

[yargnits]

thanks for the quick response. ill make sure i treat both just to be sure,. im not even sure she has anything wrong but i dont know how you would tell

 

[hereticlosmorte]

she would basically be losing more weight than she eats.
she literally looks like she just doesn't overeat.
i have one ray that chows down till she's about to burst and another that just grazes and doesn't overdo it. he gets nowhere near as fat as her, but more than enough to keep him going. you can't force a ray to eat more.

if the ray is eating and not losing weight, there's really no need for meds.
is she active? or stay stationary/buried all the time? an active ray is a healthy ray (and i don't mean thrashing about in distress, simply just moving, swimming, going at a normal pace.)

medicating can be very stressful for rays. make sure you need to before doing it.

if worse comes to worst, scoop out some of her feces and take it to a university biology lab or veterinary clinic and have them look at it in a microscope for any parasites.

 

[T1KARMANN]

Sorry to say but if the rays have been in that tank for 1 year you need to get a bigger tank last week as its way to small

Males grow much slower than females so if it's the female that's grown bigger I wouldn't worry

If its 2 females or 2 male the alpha always grows fast for some reason

I don't think after a year it would be a internal parasite unless you have added new fish

One of my females is much larger than the other and they are the same age

I would upgrade the tank fast as it doesn't look very wide 18-24inch max


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[yargnits]

Sorry to say but if the rays have been in that tank for 1 year you need to get a bigger tank last week as its way to small

If its 2 females or 2 male the alpha always grows fast for some reason

I don't think after a year it would be a internal parasite unless you have added new fish

One of my females is much larger than the other and they are the same age


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interesting that you think it woudnt be parasites after a year is there any reason for this ?

they are both females and i think the tank is about 18inches wide and whilst its ok if you can have a 3ft wide tank [i cant :-[ ] i think its generally acceptable to keep a ray at around 18inches in a 30 inch wide tank and on that scale this tank is acceptable as these are in a tank more than twice as wide as the rays themselves

as it happens the stand is designed for a 5 x2.5 x2 tank and this tank is only temporary. they will be upgraded when its needed if i still have them or i will move the other rays out and put them in a bigger tank in another room.

 

[hereticlosmorte]

interesting that you think it woudnt be parasites after a year is there any reason for this ?

they are both females and i think the tank is about 18inches wide and whilst its ok if you can have a 3ft wide tank [i cant :-[ ] i think its generally acceptable to keep a ray at around 18inches in a 30 inch wide tank and on that scale this tank is acceptable as these are in a tank more than twice as wide as the rays themselves

as it happens the stand is designed for a 5 x2.5 x2 tank and this tank is only temporary. they will be upgraded when its needed if i still have them or i will move the other rays out and put them in a bigger tank in another room.

ray growth like all fish can be stunted from small living space.
it's 18 wide, those rays can get up to 14 inches in disc alone, not including their tail. they will become quite cramped for them. it is beneficial to their health to be able to swim at more than a crawl. my rays often glide around the tank at a good pace, giving themselves exercise.

another reason would be the water volume. less volume means a quicker buildup of toxins. it is easier to lose control of it than a larger tank.

now, as for the parasite deal, after a year they could have them still. if healthy and unstressed, you might not see any noticeable problem, but like all creatures, stress lowers the immune system and allows parasites the upper hand. generally speaking, on average, if the ray is healthy and eating, active and gaining size/weight, chances of parasites are low.