Unintentional midas X synspila spawn?!!

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So I've been trying to pair a very high white creamsicle midas male, to a synspila female. He's been very aggressive with her so I've had a divider in there for weeks now. I noticed last night that her tube had dropped somewhat, but as I didn't think a spawn was imminent, I didn't think too much of it. After all, there'd been no other signs. I did a water change this morning, and of course that's all it took to get her going. Unfortunately the site she chose for laying, is much further from the divider than I'd have wished for. Hoping the male midas can still do his job!

Pay no mind to the extremely dirty/streaky glass!
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One fish lays eggs and another fish looking from the other side does not mean breeding.. How can anyone hope for any success in an attempt like this?

When they breed they breed, not fight. before and after is the time to worry about that , but never during breeding..

And you tell by looking at your fish's behaviors if they are a pair gonna breed or they are NOT a pair and need divider.
 
This pair was together with no divider, and did show lots of promising behavior, flaring, flirting, digging pits together etc. The male only occasionally harrassed her. The worst he did was chase her into a corner, maybe the odd nip. They were together for weeks with no divider, they've only had the divider for approximately two weeks. As you can clearly see in the pic, she is pretty un-tattered. I had very good reason to believe they were an otherwise compatible pair.

I actually witnessed them spawning, the male was clearly doing his best to point and spray all along the spawn site. Do I think there will be a high % of fertile eggs? No, I do not.

the animal guy said: And you tell by looking at your fish's behaviors if they are a pair gonna breed or they are NOT a pair and need divider. I beg to differ. I've paired literally dozens of fish that were initially aggressive to each other in this manner, & 100% of the time I was able to get them to pair bond & spawn, with (eventually) no divider. I in fact just recently paired a carpintis to a syn using this method.

I had no intention of breeding them in this way, so unfortunately the only current is being provided by the spraybar on the canister filter. Not very conducive to a succesful divider spawn.

As I had no desire to spawn them in this tank, I did not (as my first post, and the thread title as well), clearly stated, have any intention of breeding them in this manner.

Thank's for all the wishes for luck, fingers crossed!
Thank you for your observations the animal guy, very informative.
 
One fish lays eggs and another fish looking from the other side does not mean breeding.. How can anyone hope for any success in an attempt like this?

When they breed they breed, not fight. before and after is the time to worry about that , but never during breeding..

And you tell by looking at your fish's behaviors if they are a pair gonna breed or they are NOT a pair and need divider.

I've seen breeding done through dividers and proved good results
 
I've seen breeding done through dividers and proved good results

I sure hope you're right, I really don't have high hopes for this spawn. If I'd actually planned a spawn using a divider, I'd have set things up a little different. Slate or some other flat rock on either side, a power head blowing toward the females side... Ultimately I'd have liked to try them with no divider. The male did try his best, but I'm just not sure the eggs were close enough to the divider....not to mention the current was all wrong. I guess I'll know in a few days.
 
As I expected this spawn fizzled, all the eggs turned into little tiny cotton balls. Ah well, I'll be more prepared next time. The good news is they'll probably go again in a few weeks, and I have other pairs that are probably going to spawn soon, I'll make sure to keep you guys posted!
 
By the way you say they are as a pair that want to breed, Im sure they will breed again.

This is actually a good way for this pair if you are not always around.

those male Amphilophous do snap in the middle of living together and bonding if he gets impatient with the female not laying eggs when he wants. If not seen after that, there would be a dead female.

If that male Midas gets to adult size he's gonna be one heck of a pretty fish
 
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