Unintentional midas X synspila spawn?!!

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the animal guy said:
...those male Amphilophous do snap in the middle of living together and bonding if he gets impatient with the female not laying eggs when he wants. If not seen after that, there would be a dead female.
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Thats exactly what he acts like! Everything will seem fine, and then it's like he gets impatient with her, the little snot! My other males just don't act like that, I guess carpintis & pink fene's just aren't as fickle? I have a pink fene paired to a parrot & a carpintis paired to a syn, both males live in harmony with their mates, even though it's gonna be a little bit before their girlfriends are ready.
 
The midas actually belongs to my brother, he's my partner in the fortune fish venture. I've asked him to take the midas and syn & put them in one of his 75's, and also advised him to have some eggcrate ready. I believe part of the problem is, the largest tank I have is a 55, I think they need a minimum of 75 for him to leave her alone when not laying eggs, and even then I'm not so sure. I agree on the midas, he's gonna be a stunner, when my brother texted me his pic, I immediately told him he HAD to buy this fish! We have his smaller sibling as well, my bro has that fish at his house, we think it's a female.

I've got two other pairs that are acting like spawning is imminent, pink fene X parrot seems to be very close, hopefully in the next few days. The carpintis X syn I'm not sure, maybe in the next week or so, maybe sooner?
I have the ingredients to make RBK, I might do that, but if I do, I still want to maintain some strains separately.

I'll probably tinker around with some line breeding, I was able to (in 3 generations) consistently create, some pretty awesome sb green carpintis through linebreeding. Fortune fish just seem like the logical progression from that experience. It'll be a much better test of some of my theories, much clearer examples of empirical evidence. For instance, I theorize that a strain consisting of 62.5% carpintis/37.5% syn, will produce fertile males. The same might be true with a 62.5% pink fene 37.5% parrot strain, although I wouldn't be exactly surprised if they weren't. I think the whole vieja/paraneetroplus complex is tricky, hence the difficulty with finding fertile male Kamfa's.
One of my less developed theories is that syn in particular are the culprit. Perhaps other species in the vieja/paraneetroplus group are less likely to produce infertile sons when used in hybrid projects? I'd like to find out.

I also theorize that crossing one of these fertile strains to an fh (or any fish really), and then back crossing a daughter to the orginal 62.5%/37.5% father, would also produce fertile males. That's the one I really want to find out for sure. I have a pair of (low to mid grade) red dragons growing out that have red eyes, it's a good bet the male is fertile, I'd like to see if he is, then do some test spawns with him as well. If he was bred to a 50/50 syn X carpintis female, then cross a daughter from that spawn back to him, would that make fertile male fry? I very much suspect it would.
 
As far as I know, all CA hybrids and African hybrids are fertile. If they are infertile, there won't be outcry from purists that hybrids are contaminating the gene pool. FH are line bred CA hybrids, all fertile. EBJD are mutant JD and pairing two EBJD with recessive genes are infertile. I believe BP are just mutant Midevil , not hybrid as rumors say, and that's why BP, like EBJD, are infertile.
 
It's already been proven that RD/Midas X Syn = Parrot. Just quality wise they are only first generation
 
tiger15 said:
As far as I know, all CA hybrids and African hybrids are fertile. If they are infertile, there won't be outcry from purists that hybrids are contaminating the gene pool. FH are line bred CA hybrids, all fertile. EBJD are mutant JD and pairing two EBJD with recessive genes are infertile. I believe BP are just mutant Midevil , not hybrid as rumors say, and that's why BP, like EBJD, are infertile.
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Ask any flowerhorn breeder/keeper & they will tell you, not all flowerhorn are fertile, many males are not. The rule of thumb is red eyes=usually fertile male's, yellow to orange are iffy, and white eyes almost never. There are exceptions to the rule, but they're few & far between.
The animal guy said, It's already been proven that RD/Midas X Syn = Parrot. Just quality wise they are only first generation
Totally agree, I've seen three threads right here on mfk proving it to my satisfaction, it's fairly common knowledge now.
 
OK, my knowledge is outdated. If the OP cross is successful next time, it will be BP in the making. So it will be another independent proof of the BP genealogy.
 
congrats hey if you have any female rose queens i'm looking for one i got a fertile thai silk male i thought would be cool to pair up with i'll even trade some thai malau for one that should be hatching in the next couple of days
 
Immaculate conception my friend...... that or a an extremely long breeding tube ala Swedish Flowerhornia.... There is a thin line between love and hate with these guys. I had a Xilo that had crossed with a beautiful famale vermillion Devil. They spawned three times but after the third time he killed her. You have to watch them closely and use the divider at the right time.
 
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