thanks for the nice words, Was wondering if anyone knows what these guys are?? Is the first one a RD ? I'm friends with the owner of the LFS i go to, he told me the breeder he gets his fry from crosses Red Texas with nice FH's, i don't know what fh he uses though, alot of the fry he sells are a hit and miss though, some nice and some really drab. but a ratio of about 4 out of 10 become faders i wasn't lucky enough to get one though. And my female, no one seems to know what she is.