Very interesting link

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Great link coura, thanks for sharing.

About 10 years ago I got to help out with a Bog Turtle census near where I live. We were only able to come across 3 in 2 days. Granted, they are very secretive turtles and can easily be over looked if you don't have a sharp eye.
 
that is a nice link, thank you. It is interesting how many of these animals have not been endangered by development but by over collecting for food and ritual. out of that list, only two of them mentioned habitat destruction as a main cause for them disappearing. Also, I am confused as to why the Roti snakeneck is so endangered. It mentioned that they were over collected for the western pet trade but if they were so popular you would think that there would already be tons of breeding projects with them (especially now that they are rare and probably worth quite a bit).
 
snakeguy101;4465902; said:
that is a nice link, thank you. It is interesting how many of these animals have not been endangered by development but by over collecting for food and ritual. out of that list, only two of them mentioned habitat destruction as a main cause for them disappearing. Also, I am confused as to why the Roti snakeneck is so endangered. It mentioned that they were over collected for the western pet trade but if they were so popular you would think that there would already be tons of breeding projects with them (especially now that they are rare and probably worth quite a bit).
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Dont forget one thing: the guys that make this kind news are on the tree huggish side so if they can finger point something they do it. Its true that rotis are very endangered in the wild because they come from a very restricted wild range and that range can only sustain a N number of animals so they are naturally rare to begin with and just ad the preasures of colecting for food and pets can easily make a unsustainable harvest of animals, specially considering that both trades target adult animals which are naturally fewer. Now in Europe you CAN with some search obtain cb Chelodina mcordi and there are several breeding groups in both private and public hands, mostly in private ones. For some reason I dont understand the mcordis that make it to the states come with a astronomical price tag. Here they are expensive but they are not supossed to be that expensive. Actually thinking about it many rarer Chelodinas are really expensive in the states, Ive seen some Chelodina expansa once on kingsnake for ridiculous cash. I think that has contributed to it for some degree. But I know people have them and breeding out there. Hopefully I can inspire more people to start doing it, they are very prolific and easy to keep turtles. Their continual existence can easily be assured by breeding programs.
 
EricIvins;4466994; said:
This is what I don't like about "lists"............The top 10?

Chinemys Nigricans? Enough said?
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what about them? According to the IUCN these guys are endangered, yes, but not in a critical state of decline.

Also, do you think that for ONCE you could post something that is actually useful or supportive? It just seems that you have a problem with your tone and it is annoying to a lot of people. I have yet to see a post by you that offers advise or compliments something/one- just negative comments...I know I know, off topic, sorry.
 
coura;4466706; said:
Dont forget one thing: the guys that make this kind news are on the tree huggish side so if they can finger point something they do it. Its true that rotis are very endangered in the wild because they come from a very restricted wild range and that range can only sustain a N number of animals so they are naturally rare to begin with and just ad the preasures of colecting for food and pets can easily make a unsustainable harvest of animals, specially considering that both trades target adult animals which are naturally fewer. Now in Europe you CAN with some search obtain cb Chelodina mcordi and there are several breeding groups in both private and public hands, mostly in private ones. For some reason I dont understand the mcordis that make it to the states come with a astronomical price tag. Here they are expensive but they are not supossed to be that expensive. Actually thinking about it many rarer Chelodinas are really expensive in the states, Ive seen some Chelodina expansa once on kingsnake for ridiculous cash. I think that has contributed to it for some degree. But I know people have them and breeding out there. Hopefully I can inspire more people to start doing it, they are very prolific and easy to keep turtles. Their continual existence can easily be assured by breeding programs.
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I have not looked into the prices but that is interesting about their price. what are the worth on your side of the pond?
 
snakeguy101;4467185; said:
what about them? According to the IUCN these guys are endangered, yes, but not in a critical state of decline.

Also, do you think that for ONCE you could post something that is actually useful or supportive? It just seems that you have a problem with your tone and it is annoying to a lot of people. I have yet to see a post by you that offers advise or compliments something/one- just negative comments...I know I know, off topic, sorry.
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Thats why they're considered functionally Extinct? The IUCN is not that accurate, as alot of those species havn't been updated in years........

I thought that information was pretty usefull..........Sorry I don't want to hold hands and sing Kumbaya.........
 
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