Very recent conclusions on Colubrid Species

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Miguel

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Principal Conclusions:
• Most people underestimate the bite of colubrids, and many were caught unawares by medically important bites.
• The average colubrid bite is fairly insignificant in comparison to that of the average viperid bite (based on bites from Agkistrodon contortrix, Vipera ammodytes, V. aspis and V. berus).

The following genera and their medical importance are based on evidence shown within this study:

• Genera reported to have inflicted medically important bites are: Boiga, Chrysopelea, Dispholidus, Heterodon, Macropisthodon, Nerodia (potentially at least from some populations), Psammophis and Rhabdophis.
Bites were received from these genera that surpassed the average viperid bite severity.
Herpetologists/herpetoculturists would do well to use caution when dealing with species of the aforementioned genera. Suitable precautions could consist of as little as covering exposed skin, e.g. long sleeves and gardening gloves (t-shirts, shorts and sandals do not offer the best protection).

• Genera that also stand out as being of potential medical importance, but from which bites were NOT received that surpassed the average viperid bite severity, are: Crotaphopeltis, Hydrodynastes, Ialtris, Oxybelis, Philodryas and Thamnodynastes.
Bites were received from these genera that clearly caused significant symptoms but did not surpass the average viperid bite severity.

• Genera reported to have inflicted mild envenoming of mostly trivial medical importance, but stood out from the bulk of trivial colubrid genera, are: Ahaetulla, Coluber, Coronella, Leioheterodon, Leptophis, Liophis, Malpolon, Orthriophis, Rhadinophis and Thamnophis.
Bites were received from these genera that did not cause major symptoms, but stood out from the bulk of trivial colubrid genera, being of slight medical importance.

• Genera reported to inflict mild envenoming of no real medical importance are: Amphiesma, Coniophanes, Elaphe, Gonyosoma, Helicops, Hemorrhois, Hypsiglena, Lamprophis, Leptodeira, Masticophis, Orthriophis, Philothamnus, Platyceps, Psammophylax, Spilotes, Telescopus, Trimorphodon and Zamenis.
Bites that were received from these genera showed only trivial symptoms (very mild swelling, redness, itching, etc). It seems likely that many of these genera lack the venom quantity, venom delivery and/or venom potency to cause medically significant bites. Despite this, significant caution would be well advised, particularly around aggressive, large snakes of these genera. Covering exposed skin would likely be adequate protection.

• Genera from which bites, but no envenomations, were received are: Cerberus, Chironius, Coelognathus, Conophis, Diadophis, Dipsadoboa, Dolichophis, Drymarchon, Enhydris, Hierophis, Liochlorophis, Lycodon, Mastigodryas, Natrix, Pseudaspis, Pseustes, Spalerosophis, Stegonotus, Storeria, Thrasops, Tomodon, Waglerophis and Xenochrophis.
Bites from these genera did not show any reliable signs of envenomation.
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Interesting. Do you have a link? I suspect in at least some cases they are confusing secondary infection with true envenomation. I've managed to get myself bitten by a lot of colubrids over the years, and I can say that some of the species they mention as "venomous" do often cause mild infections when they bite. This is especially true for aquatic species, I suppose because you are more likely to expose your wound to bacteria in an aquatic environment than on dry land.
 
Noto;4640495; said:
Interesting. Do you have a link? I suspect in at least some cases they are confusing secondary infection with true envenomation. I've managed to get myself bitten by a lot of colubrids over the years, and I can say that some of the species they mention as "venomous" do often cause mild infections when they bite. This is especially true for aquatic species, I suppose because you are more likely to expose your wound to bacteria in an aquatic environment than on dry land.


http://www.venomland.net/other-rear-fanged-snakes-f47/colubrid-bites-t831.htm
 
Nothing new. People have known that these species were insignificantly venomous for some time. This may be the first or most recent/ in depth study on them but there is really not too much to be learned to the average person since they will not show signs of envenomation beyond a mild irritation around the bite would.

I have been bit by Chrysopelea, Heterodon, & Nerodia sp. and nothing happened beyond an itchy area at the site of the bite.
 
Thanks for the link Miguel!

Snakeguy- Was the Heterodon a feeding bite? I've only dealt with wild hognoses; they seem pretty reluctant to bite. I've actually been bitten by Carphophis amoenus (I bet not too many people can say that!) but not Heterodon.
 
snakeguy101;4641366; said:
This may be the first or most recent/ in depth study on them...

I don't think the student or the advisor for this project consider it or meant it to be an in-depth study. It's really just somebody reaching out to keepers and field herpers in an effort to collect as many anecdotes as possible. There is a discussion somewhere on the net about this. I'll see if I can remember where. Probably on Bryan Greig Fry's forums.

I filled out the survey when it came out. I had trouble with it so I hope they got it. I think it's a sets a good precedent to start collecting information like this.

I was glad to see that Madagascarophis didn't make it onto the survey. There are a lot of captive specimens out there and some people think it's a genus of possible concern.
 
Noto;4641443; said:
Thanks for the link Miguel!

Snakeguy- Was the Heterodon a feeding bite? I've only dealt with wild hognoses; they seem pretty reluctant to bite. I've actually been bitten by Carphophis amoenus (I bet not too many people can say that!) but not Heterodon.

I have been bit by all three of the hognose snakes (simus, platirhinos, and nasicus i think). The nasicus was a feeding bite and was the one with the smallest effect. The eastern hognose was a defensive bite by a 2' black phase from E Georgia and the southern hognose was also a defensive bite but this time by a 8" juvie from Alachua county. Both of these bites turned red and itchy for the following day before symptoms retreated. The nasicus bite produced no effect at all.

CJH;4641507; said:
I don't think the student or the advisor for this project consider it or meant it to be an in-depth study. It's really just somebody reaching out to keepers and field herpers in an effort to collect as many anecdotes as possible. There is a discussion somewhere on the net about this. I'll see if I can remember where. Probably on Bryan Greig Fry's forums.

I filled out the survey when it came out. I had trouble with it so I hope they got it. I think it's a sets a good precedent to start collecting information like this.

I was glad to see that Madagascarophis didn't make it onto the survey. There are a lot of captive specimens out there and some people think it's a genus of possible concern.

I think the cat eyes are in the same boat as false water cobras. They CAN produce a nasty bite but certainly not a life threatening one. It all depends on where you want to draw the line for dangerous. I am not sure what the laws on them are but I am willing to bet that this is one of those gray species that is never defined as either venomous or non-venomous by state official and the verdict will likely depend on whether you have got on their bad side or not.

This was put together by one of Wüster's students. I don't think BGF is involved- could be wrong though.
 
snakeguy101;4641557; said:
This was put together by one of Wüster's students. I don't think BGF is involved- could be wrong though.

I only mentioned BGF because I believe there is a more involved conversation about this study on his forums. The survey was posted there as well and I believe there was a lot of discussion about it. I never meant to imply BGF was involved beyond that.
 
CJH;4641584; said:
I only mentioned BGF because I believe there is a more involved conversation about this study on his forums. The survey was posted there as well and I believe there was a lot of discussion about it. I never meant to imply BGF was involved beyond that.

ah okay. Sorry I misread your post.
 
Good discussion going on, you experts! keep it up!

As for Colubrids, my favorite is the Boomslang, but thats one where their are no doubts as to its venomous state of mind......
 
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