thanks guys, yea they've bred numerous times about to breed again soon, cleaning a rock off ect atm, colours going nutzo... crap though after they breed coz the female gets all washed out.. her red goes to white/grey, its insane. i've had them for about a year and a half or so.. give or take.. got them when they were about 3 inches, the male grew really really fast, but was a real pussy until about 9 inches