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Yes, from what I understand both Vieja and Cichlasoma are 2 very broad, generalized genera with countless "oddball" species falling under them, long overdue for revision, such was the case with the ratsnake genus "Elaphe" which included not only North and South American species, but Asian species as well. On a superficial level they resembled each other but anatomically and genetically were very different snakes with about the only thing shared in common was the name "ratsnake" and a forked tongue lol.
Cichlasoma probably more so than Vieja even, with entries like the Port cichlid (Cichlasoma portalgrense) and the Mayan cichlid (Cichlasoma uropthalmus). IDK about you guys, but I have a hard time seeing why these 2 should be in the same genus and what they actually share in common genetically or even anatomically.....but again, looking back Jack Dempsey was at one point classed in Cichlasoma, then moved to Archocentrus before finally being given it's own gena, Rocia.
Ironically, I tend to try and stay away from common names since the greek/latin nomenclature is a language every scientist speaks regardless of race, culture or dialect, but it certainly doesn't seem to be working out that way for the moment, does it?
2 things
1.) When you say Synspilum and melanuras, are you referencing them as species or genus?
2.) Are you stating that the Quetzal cichld and the Red-Headed cichlid are in fact the same fish? Even just by looking at them you can visually see they are different, don't you agree?
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Yes, from what I understand both Vieja and Cichlasoma are 2 very broad, generalized genera with countless "oddball" species falling under them, long overdue for revision, such was the case with the ratsnake genus "Elaphe" which included not only North and South American species, but Asian species as well. On a superficial level they resembled each other but anatomically and genetically were very different snakes with about the only thing shared in common was the name "ratsnake" and a forked tongue lol.
Cichlasoma probably more so than Vieja even, with entries like the Port cichlid (Cichlasoma portalgrense) and the Mayan cichlid (Cichlasoma uropthalmus). IDK about you guys, but I have a hard time seeing why these 2 should be in the same genus and what they actually share in common genetically or even anatomically.....but again, looking back Jack Dempsey was at one point classed in Cichlasoma, then moved to Archocentrus before finally being given it's own gena, Rocia.
Ironically, I tend to try and stay away from common names since the greek/latin nomenclature is a language every scientist speaks regardless of race, culture or dialect, but it certainly doesn't seem to be working out that way for the moment, does it?
2 things
1.) When you say Synspilum and melanuras, are you referencing them as species or genus?
2.) Are you stating that the Quetzal cichld and the Red-Headed cichlid are in fact the same fish? Even just by looking at them you can visually see they are different, don't you agree?
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