Vieja zonatus and regani

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While I'm certainly no expert regarding any of the numerous species of sunfish, I'm also a member of NANFA, and have read the exact opposite, there, and here on MFK, about tropical temps and how it can affect certain species of sunfish. I also grew up in sunfish/bass country, and that info matched my personal experience. Even in Florida the water can drop down into the 60"s in the winter months, yes? I'm really not interested in getting into a debate about keeping native species year round at tropical temps, I was just offering my perspective on why I personally wouldn't keep the different species in the same tank.
 
RD. said:
Everything you need to know has already been answered by multiple members. Your question/s have changed several times as this thread has evolved, so it was kind of difficult to answer THE question.

Do what you want, you're going to anyway.
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They have been answered by you.... I guess.... I would like to hear what others have to say and have experienced. Thanks

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Mine is still little at around 4" sharing the 210g tank with my big Pearsei 13", Regani 11", Red bay Snook 5.5". Very personable and outgoing little thing, cant wait to see what it turns out like.
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I need some pics either here or the other place lol

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Well ultimately in the world of aquariums everyone has to pick a combo of fish they think will work well. For me sunfish and cichlids have worked very well. Others like you may not be comfortable with it. I guess besides the fact that many sunfish do live in tropical or subtropical habitat, the other reason I have no qualms about the temp thing is because it feels liking splitting hairs to me. This is a fish that would "naturally" have it's lake frozen over for months out of the year, (since my sunniest are wild caught Wisconsin sunnies, mostly), but the majority of native keepers keep them without heaters at room temp, which in winter is probably only 68F. This is nothing nothing like a real WI winter! But because sunfish are adaptable they do fine. I don't think keeping them in water less than 10 degrees warmer will make much of a difference for a fish already adapted to such extremes in temperature.

RD. said:
While I'm certainly no expert regarding any of the numerous species of sunfish, I'm also a member of NANFA, and have read the exact opposite, there, and here on MFK, about tropical temps and how it can affect certain species of sunfish. I also grew up in sunfish/bass country, and that info matched my personal experience. Even in Florida the water can drop down into the 60"s in the winter months, yes? I'm really not interested in getting into a debate about keeping native species year round at tropical temps, I was just offering my perspective on why I personally wouldn't keep the different species in the same tank.
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Jaws, you might want to go back to the beginning of this discussion & re-read what's actually been posted. There's now 56 comments/suggestions, and they weren't all by me. lol


Quo, if you want the final word about keeping sunfish in tropical waters with CA cichlids - you can have it. It's all good.
 
I'll sum this whole thread up in one response. Most people who want to keep these species want to because they have seen pictures of stunning examples of the species. But most species of nearly any fish for that matter will not ever look like that if all of the needs aren't met. Stress levels, water quality, and overall health greatly impact how a fish turns out. And these factors simply aren't met when a fish is crammed in a minimum sized tank. So yes you can cram a possibly 16" fish in a 16" wide tank but it will never turn out the way you had hoped for.


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RD. said:
Using that logic a 50 gallon tank would be more than enough for a full grown male. (36x18x19")
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Yes, you are absolutely correct that a 36x18x19" tank is enough to raise and keep a single 14" male provided that good filtration and frequent WC is provided. There is no difference from thousands of betta raised in small jars, and hundreds of FH in small quarters each year in Thailand. If you have problem with it, then you have problem eating chicken as they are raised in even smaller quarters barely have room to turn around.
 
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LMAO, no kidding there's no difference! And it's 10's of MILLIONS of bettas & flowerhorns raised in those types of conditions, not hundreds, or thousands. There are probably millions of 12" red devils that have been raised in 30 gallon tanks, too. That doesn't make it right. But hey, thanks for your honesty. Hopefully the OP considers the source when regarding your input.


FYI ......I eat free range chickens, raised locally.
 
Rd I asked the question for these types of responses if I cant provide the right home them I would have to consider a smaller fish

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Meant smaller growing vieja ...not tank lol

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