Liam;2296668; said:
But that's where you are mistaken....
I'm not American, but I do vote in the ACA as I am a member. My vote is as strong as any other ACA member, no matter where they are from.
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But that's where you are mistaken....
I'm not American, but I do vote in the ACA as I am a member. My vote is as strong as any other ACA member, no matter where they are from.
I'm glad to hear that this issue is being addressed...and that you're (and hopefully Li will be) involved.
I'm glad not because flowerhorns, etc. are my "bag" but because I think that addressing hybrids, line-bred fish, as well as attitudes about them and those that keep them, is a critical issue for the ACA's future.
I'm glad not because flowerhorns, etc. are my "bag" but because I think that addressing hybrids, line-bred fish, as well as attitudes about them and those that keep them, is a critical issue for the ACA's future.
Aquamojo;2296664; said:
Neoprodigy(Li) said...
One thing to note about your comments here. Some older guys are still very young at heart, very involved with the hobby, and are very passionate about cichlids and the ACA. These people have decades of experience and are treasure troves of knowledge! I only wish that many of them would become more involved Online sharing their expertise to the youth that will indeed one day replace them!
Yes, many of these "old dogs" need to be taught new tricks by getting involved digitally, but the ACA itself can be much more than it is. More than just a convention, more than just a forum, and more than a research funding organization!(All great things to be!) The ACA can evolve with the right leadership, thru technology to become an INCREDIBLE organization that could have impact on things like hobby related legislation.(for example, as disseminating info is one of their stated goals)
Anyway, us 40 and over crowd are a big part of the membership! LOL
One thing to note about your comments here. Some older guys are still very young at heart, very involved with the hobby, and are very passionate about cichlids and the ACA. These people have decades of experience and are treasure troves of knowledge! I only wish that many of them would become more involved Online sharing their expertise to the youth that will indeed one day replace them!
Yes, many of these "old dogs" need to be taught new tricks by getting involved digitally, but the ACA itself can be much more than it is. More than just a convention, more than just a forum, and more than a research funding organization!(All great things to be!) The ACA can evolve with the right leadership, thru technology to become an INCREDIBLE organization that could have impact on things like hobby related legislation.(for example, as disseminating info is one of their stated goals)
Anyway, us 40 and over crowd are a big part of the membership! LOL
Mr.Firemouth;2297593; said:
If the ACA were exactly as your vision described, they'd be getting a check from me yearly. I think Li can help with that. If he doesn't get a spot, I hope you find someone with the same ideas that you have. If you don't, the ACA is aging with it's senior members, and will eventually die with them and their politics. I envision an ACA that promotes conservation, responsible collection and collection methods, discovery of new fish and fishkeeping methods, and education of it's members without a heavy hand. If the ACA would focus on those things, and less on the opinionated political aspect, you will find the younger crowd more interested.
this thread was a good read
why is it that when 2 chiclids(of different kind) breed, the fry aren't considered chiclids ?????????
i am never joining ACA.
FHs are great fish and there will be more and more of them as the new-fish-keepers usually start with these fish as they display great beauty and great character, if instead of banning a certain fish from their forums and they try and educate the fish keepers to be responsible, instead of calling these fish as menace, may be there can be a much larger number of responsible fishkeepers.
farm bred fish are much better at my conscience than wild caught fish, when i cage them and keep them in my aquariums, though i may provide the right conditions and the right care there is always a possibility that i may do something wrong.
why is it that when 2 chiclids(of different kind) breed, the fry aren't considered chiclids ?????????
i am never joining ACA.
FHs are great fish and there will be more and more of them as the new-fish-keepers usually start with these fish as they display great beauty and great character, if instead of banning a certain fish from their forums and they try and educate the fish keepers to be responsible, instead of calling these fish as menace, may be there can be a much larger number of responsible fishkeepers.
farm bred fish are much better at my conscience than wild caught fish, when i cage them and keep them in my aquariums, though i may provide the right conditions and the right care there is always a possibility that i may do something wrong.
Lisachromis;2294444; said:
The problem with line breeding is that we do not know if they were truly all the same species. If 15 years ago, a domestic strain of angelfish (presumably a scalare) was bred with an altum angelfish, and thrown back into the gene pool, who would know? Same with discus - are the current domestic strains of discus green discus? Or heckels? or Browns? More than likely, they are a combination of the above three. Yet everyone considers these "pure".
And what about such fish as Red Devils/Midas Cichlids. Are the so called "Petsmart Red Devils" allowed at ACA shows? And how can you tell that a "red Devil" is not actually a hybrid?
Also, what if they are hybrids between two geographic races? They are still the same species right, so they are not considered hybrids. But what if one of the geographic races is then deemed a new species? Then the fish produced from a spawn of different races is now a hybrid.
Personally, i do not keep any definitive hybrid fish. However, i keep domestic angelfish, numerous african cichlids, and other cichlids, none of which are wild caught or even F1 or F2, etc. Any of these could be hybrids, yet i could probably show any of them at an ACA convention, and not get bashed for showing hybrids. However, if i attempted to show a FH, i would be declined, even if the two species bred to create the flower horn were just as closely related as the species bred to create my "line bred" fish.
Anyways, just wanted to point out that there is little difference between line bred and hybrids unless you have positive records for the line bred fish all the way back to the wild. I feel that the ACA should accept FHs and other hybrids. If people were to go and see the hybrids at an ACA convention, they would more than likely see some non - hybrids as well, something that woudl not happen at an ordinary, all hybrid show. The exposure to pure species could even cause them to develop an interest in non-hybrids, thus furthering the pure cichlid hobby.
