want to do a brackish community tank

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i just got a new tank for my rbps and i dont like looking at theyre old 80 gal empty so im thinking of using it for a brackish community, i want to have a big colony of bumble bee gobies for sure. not looking to have any archer, mono, or scats only small brackish fish. i gained a lot of interest in gobies so if you know of any cool speicies besides bumblebees and knights please tell me or any other fish that can be kept with them. can i have a couple of green spotted puffers in there also?
all opinions are welcome :cheers:
 
I know you're looking for small fish, but I think a violet goby would be good for that tank. They're totally compatible with BB's and knight gobies. I'd say your tank is just big enough for one.

If you're looking for little fish exclusively, you might want to consider livebearers. Guppies and mollies can live in brackish water just fine. Australian desert gobies (Chlamydogobius eremius) are very tolerant of salinities, but they, and the knights too actually, might pose a threat to the bumblebees.
Other than those fish, I can't think of much. Maybe invertebrates? Ghost shrimp do fine in brackish, and they make a fine clean up crew for leftovers.
I can also recommend some plants if you like.
 
Dragon cqzzzzz<;2072079; said:
I know you're looking for small fish, but I think a violet goby would be good for that tank. They're totally compatible with BB's and knight gobies. I'd say your tank is just big enough for one.

If you're looking for little fish exclusively, you might want to consider livebearers. Guppies and mollies can live in brackish water just fine. Australian desert gobies (Chlamydogobius eremius) are very tolerant of salinities, but they, and the knights too actually, might pose a threat to the bumblebees.
Other than those fish, I can't think of much. Maybe invertebrates? Ghost shrimp do fine in brackish, and they make a fine clean up crew for leftovers.
I can also recommend some plants if you like.


dont really like the look of mollies, how many violets can i get?
yea i was thinking of gohst shrimp for a clean up crew but if i get a couple of puffers wouldnt they be an easy meal? i dont know if im gonna go with plants in the tank but i have 2 large pieces of malaysian driftwood im also gonna get some shells for the gobies to hide in and pool filter sand for subtrate
 
I'd say just one violet. They're a very large goby, and when they mature they get seriously territorial.

Well, I'd say if you were going to have a puffer that could eat ghost shrimp, wouldn't the bumblebee gobies also be at risk of being torn to shreads? I've also seen the kind of work some puffers can do to a violet goby. It's not pretty.
If you're having bumblebee gobies and/or a violet goby, the SG should be around 1.005. I'd say it's probably the same for ghost shrimp, since they can also live in freshwater. If you're getting a puffer, make sure it's safe with smaller fish as well as larger ones. Also research what SG that species does best at. If that SG is not 1.005 (also known as low-end brackish), you should choose between either the goby(s) and the puffer(s).
I almost forgot to mention that if you want to keep a violet goby, you need sand, or the very finest gravel that you can get, as well as a hiding place or two.
If you need any info on violet gobies (thank you so much for using the correct name) or bumblebee gobies, feel free to ask. After two years, I know more about these two species than any other fish.
 
i really appreciate the help :)
i know that i want bumblebee gobies for sure but dont know how many i can have in a 80 gal since theyre territorial and 1 violet goby would look really sweet in there. i think that a whole bunch of small gobies would be neat to have on the bottom of the tank but i would also like some more active fish that will swim in the middle. any other ideas?
this will be my first brackish tank so im still learning
 
Actually dragons do quite well in groups of 3 or more, especially in a tank that size. There are also the brackish rainbowfish, like the celebes rainbow, the half beaks, yellow & green chromides & kight gobies.
 
All the fish mentioned above, do best in a low-end BW SG of 1.005, so the answer is no. Maybe you'd perfer to do a SW tank instead?
 
OK since it's your first brackish tank, maybe I should explain specific gravity (just in case you don't know what that is yet). Brackish conditions can only be simulated by using artificial sea salt such as Instant Ocean. Mixing salt into the water increases the specific gravity (SG). The SG is measured with a hydrometer or refractometer. Be careful though, salt buildup in hydrometers can give you inaccurate readings. For example, mine reads about 0.002 more than it should, and if I didn't know that, the results could be (and arguably have been) serious damage to the health of my fish. I think it may have been a lower salinity, caused by the inaccuracy, that induced the spawning of my bumblebee gobies. Unfortunately the fry all died though.

As for how many bumblebees you can have, I honestly don't know. Five live comfortably in my 55 gallon, but I'm sure I could have more.
It may also depend on how many little caves and things there are for the gobies to call their own. If you're interested in breeding them, I suggest something small that you can remove while keeping it submerged.

When you bring up middle-dwellers, the livebearers again come to mind, but I understand completely that you don't want them. They can be unsightly and over time can add too much to the bioload as they proliferate.
I just remembered that glassfish can live in low-end brackish water. You may want to consider a small school of them. When I had them, they kinda picked on smaller fish, but it might not be a problem.
Oh, and if you go with glassfish, get the unpainted, natural ones. The coloring fades away anyway.

If you do decide that you want plants, I think java fern would look great on the driftwood. It's seriously low-maintenance. No CO2 or fertilizer needed, and they do great in low to medium lighting. Since I started leaving the second light on my 55 gallon off, my ferns have been growing like crazy.
 
Pufferpunk;2072226; said:
All the fish mentioned about do best in a low-end BW SG of 1.005, so the answer is no. Maybe you'd perfer to do a SW tank instead?


i would but its a lot of work and money so im just gona start with brackish but maybe in the future. this is my list as of right now bumblebee gobies, violet gobies, knight gobies, maybe a couple flunders, ghost shrimp and if i can find some desert gobies i would love to have some. what else and how many of each species?
 
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