Warning: Thai mineral.

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I been using TM when it first came out never had a problem Yes it makes fh move hype Its like a red bull or 5 hour energy drink for fish Im sure if u over use it It would have bad effects

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rodger said:
What's this stuff supposed to do? Make them look even more unnatural?

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It helps with kok , n msking the pearls shine more
Lot people use it for when they order fish from overseas It somehow helps relax the fh from stress

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And its that type of nonsense that allows vendors to rape hobbyists on products such as those.

Adding salt & minerals to ones water doesn't cause a fish to become hyper, or increase kok, shine, etc or anything else, unless ones water is seriously lacking in mineral content and it is simply creating a better environment (ionic balance in the osmoregulatory system) for the fish. Either way, this can be done using FAR less costly products that have been on the market for decades, such as marine salt.

If it does anything beyond what I have stated, I would suspect hormones.
 
RD. said:
And its that type of nonsense that allows vendors to rape hobbyists on products such as those.

Adding salt & minerals to ones water doesn't cause a fish to become hyper, or increase kok, shine, etc or anything else, unless ones water is seriously lacking in mineral content and it is simply creating a better environment (ionic balance in the osmoregulatory system) for the fish. Either way, this can be done using FAR less costly products that have been on the market for decades, such as marine salt.

If it does anything beyond what I have stated, I would suspect hormones.
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You'll have to pardon my ignorance as I'm new to the hobby. So you're saying I can add marine salt to my freshwater aquarium to ease any stress my fish may have during a tank move? I'm not using this Thai mineral if it could possibly contain hormones. At what dosage would you recommend for a 120 gallon tank?
 
Common salt (NaCl) is used by professionals world-wide when transporting fish in order to alleviate osmoregulatory stress. A diet high in vitamin c before & after can also help offest any stress from a move, but let's just consider salt for now. There are numerous studies/papers that can be found online to support these statements.

http://www2.ca.uky.edu/wkrec/SALTTRANS.htm

http://www.scielo.br/scielo.php?pid=S0044-59672006000400020&script=sci_arttext

Adding various other minerals to the water, may or may not also help alleviate stress, or offer ones fish a better overall environment, often this will be species dependent.

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1577/1548-8659(1991)120<0121:IOWHAS>2.3.CO;2

Marine salt contains sodium chloride (NaCl) but also contain numerous minerals, the same minerals found in these Asian formulas being marketed for FH etc. http://www.cichlid-forum.com/articles/aquarium_salts.php

My tap water is fairly hard, with a high mineral content, so when adding new fish to a tank, moving fish, or transporting fish I simply add approx 1-2 teaspoons of kosher pickling salt to a 100 gallons of tank water. Not knowing the exact quantity required for most tropical fish, I tend to error on the side of caution.

Marine salt, sea salt, etc, will all do the same thing and add numerous minerals to the water, along with increasing the sodium content. For very large applications many of the water softening salts on the market found at stores such as Home Depot can also be safely used. A search on MFK should net a few of the local bulk suppliers.


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RD. said:
Common salt (NaCl) is used by professionals world-wide when transporting fish in order to alleviate osmoregulatory stress. A diet high in vitamin c before & after can also help offest any stress from a move, but let's just consider salt for now. There are numerous studies/papers that can be found online to support these statements.

http://www2.ca.uky.edu/wkrec/SALTTRANS.htm

http://www.scielo.br/scielo.php?pid=S0044-59672006000400020&script=sci_arttext

Adding various other minerals to the water, may or may not also help alleviate stress, or offer ones fish a better overall environment, often this will be species dependent.

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1577/1548-8659(1991)120<0121:IOWHAS>2.3.CO;2

Marine salt contains sodium chloride (NaCl) but also contain numerous minerals, the same minerals found in these Asian formulas being marketed for FH etc. http://www.cichlid-forum.com/articles/aquarium_salts.php

My tap water is fairly hard, with a high mineral content, so when adding new fish to a tank, moving fish, or transporting fish I simply add approx 1-2 teaspoons of kosher pickling salt to a 100 gallons of tank water. Not knowing the exact quantity required for most tropical fish, I tend to error on the side of caution.

Marine salt, sea salt, etc, will all do the same thing and add numerous minerals to the water, along with increasing the sodium content. For very large applications many of the water softening salts on the market found at stores such as Home Depot can also be safely used. A search on MFK should net a few of the local bulk suppliers.


HTH
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It sure does, thanks!!!
 
I've ordered many fish from overseas and never used this product. I don't believe in it and not only does it rob you of your hard earned money, it leaves a huge powdery mess at the bottom of your tank. Just use Aquarium salt people. Simple as that.


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Been a while since I've been here. Resurrection of an old member and an old post. Recently came across test results for High Active Thai mineral.
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"As promised, I have XRD (no XRF) data for CZ High Active Thai mineral. X-ray diffraction (XRD) is performed with a $300k machine that exposes material to x-rays and the crystalline structures (i.e. minerals) are displayed as "peaks." This machine cannot detect organic material, only minerals that possess a crystalline structure, like clay, salt, etc.

This material is almost entirely calcium carbonate (calcite, CaCO3). Approximately 97% of the detectable crystalline structure is calcite. Of the remaining 3% of detectable crystalline structures, only halite (salt, NaCl) and dolomite (CaMgCO3) were present. ZERO siliceous material of any kind, this would include clays.

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clay XRD is mentioned for clay detection.

When i first got this material, I assumed it contained clay, this is mentioned in promotional materials but again zero siliceous material of any kind was detected.

There may be some other organic additive to this product, but it almost completely dissolves in 15% HCl. This would have some benefit if you use demineralized/RO water, the addition of calcium carbonate will have a buffering effect as it dissolves, raising pH slightly and increasing soluble Ca+ ions.

Please keep any discussion civil and factual, if you have questions about the detection method or instrument I can give additional background."
 
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Don't know about any of you but my flowerhorn goes crazy right after waterchanges. Seems like the better way to go if you want your fh to be active.
 
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