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absolutely not. That's not the case pal. I don't see why your so hell bent against it and that you think EVERY socialist nation is a seeping bowl of bull dung. People in socialist countries work. It's absolutely not true that once you have a job, it's yours until you die. It's true that it's hard to fire people from jobs, but that just makes it so that the employer hires the person best qualified for the job. If you can't fire somebody very easily, then you better make sure you hire somebody that you know is gonna be around for a long time. There's almost no job security in the United States for anything. Socialist nations are far more developed when it comes to human development that our incredible capitalistic approach. I'm not great when it comes to debates or any of the sort, but I know I'm right. Go to Canada and Sweden and you'll see that life there is better than life in the states.
If that were the case, all of the union jobs in the US would have the most skilled, qualified employees out there. It's very hard to fire a union employee, but that doesn't stop bad mechanics, teachers, etc. from being hired, so I don't think that not being able to fire someone easily necessarily leads to having very qualified, comitted employees in the job field.
I think socialism does have its place, though, just not in the US. The size of our economy and diversity of our citizenship put us in an entirely different league than Sweden. I don't think it is a very accurate comparison. There are too many people out there that would take advantage of it. Like they said, look at the welfare program. I'm sure it works great in Canada and Sweden, but I don't think it would here.
That being said, I do not think immigration is a bad thing. Things would definately not be the same here if all of the illegals were gone. I do agree that we need some sort of control over it though. Let them come, but know who they are and that they are here. I think the majority of the immigrants are decent, hard working people and deserve a chance to work and gain their citizenship if they want, the same chance that the first generation European immigrants got. It does need to be regulated though.
couldn't agree more....the government needs to take the initiative to control the borders and limit the number of people entering the country. also making penalties for employers who hire illegal immigrants would certainly help to control the situation.
you said yourself that both costs and wages would go up. if I were making more money then I would have no problem paying a little more for things. and those low paying jobs would get filled. there are legal citizens out there that would take the jobs, especially when the employers were forced to raise wages a bit.
I don't know what you want me to say here...of course where there is demand there will be supply that's just common sense. however I was simply stating that this is why some illegals will work for less money....because they're making up for it elsewhere.
I do agree with this, though certainly not all of the homeless have these problems.
these jobs would get filled. the only reason they go to the illegals is because they can be paid less than a legal citizen would be required to be paid. if the employer can pay an illegal cheaper for the same work then of course they're going to. like someone else said, let's make penalties and punishments for the employers who do this. make them spend that extra money to hire legal US citizens. yes prices would go up, but as I said before wages would have to go up as well for them to fill these jobs so to a certain degree things would even out.
I am definitely not right-wing and I am about as far from being racist as one can possibly be. in fact I agree that a large part of what's wrong with our country is the right wing conservatives who think that everyone in the country should live by their values. however, I do not agree with allowing immigrants who enter the country illegally to be able to thrive while paying little to nothing in taxes. these people, wether deliberately or not are taking advantage of the US just like many people take advantage of welfare (which also needs to be adressed). these are just a few of the many things wrong with our economy and government.
brandi77 said:
first I want to say that in my first post I did say that I do not fault the illegal immigrants themselves but rather our government which seems to be doing nothing about it. as for how to fix the problem? I think it would be great if it were possible to deport anyone who is here illegally but the fact is that would be damn near impossible. I do realize what would happen if they were all deported. I know there would be crap jobs that not many would want but they would get filled. I've worked in several different restaraunts and I know that it's the jobs like dishwashers, cooks and bussers that get filled the most by illegal aliens because these are not the most desirable of jobs. but the fact is they get these jobs because they will take them for less pay. why, well in a lot of cases (certainly not all) they are making up for the lack of pay by money earned via selling drugs. again, I am not stereotyping all illegal immigrants nor am I saying that they all do this, but it is a fact that a large percentage do. as for the welfare recipients not wanting to get jobs, well if we're talking in the fictitious sense that we could get rid of all the illegal aliens then lets also pretend we could fix the welfare program and force those who are able to get work. ideally, only legal citizens would be able to work in the country, and only those who really need welfare would receive it. those who take advantage of the system would be flushed out. these things unfortunately just aren't possible without a huge makeover of our current systems.
sorry, I know I repeated myself some because I typed my responses to each quote, some of which were regarding the same issue.
LOL @ someone using what the U.N has to say as an example.
U.N--- "please don't do that"
Crazy dictatorship--- "yeah.......I think I will"
U.N----"don't make us mad or we will kick you out of our clubhouse"
Crazy dictatorship---- " OK then be seeing you around"
U.N----(Pouts)
The U.N used to be a cute little puppet for the U.S to use to "justify" invading foreign countries but now they are Clown Shoes.
U.N--- "please don't do that"
Crazy dictatorship--- "yeah.......I think I will"
U.N----"don't make us mad or we will kick you out of our clubhouse"
Crazy dictatorship---- " OK then be seeing you around"
U.N----(Pouts)
The U.N used to be a cute little puppet for the U.S to use to "justify" invading foreign countries but now they are Clown Shoes.
sorry.....just one more......
Look at Canada's health care system, Canadians who actually don't want to die waiting for health care go to USA and pay for it(even though it's free in Canada) because the wait is so long in Canada. Oh, and look at pharmaceutical research, most of the new drugs are developed in USA because we can afford to, because of capitalism. The drug companies in USA make enough $$ for the research and development.
