WATER CHANGES: How much/often?

[rayman45]

i dont do 30% on my tanks


but for some1 with hardy fish like oscars can get away with it





on my frist tank(90G)
i had
1 sliver aro
6 oscars
1 rtc
2 tsn
1 lima
2 jd
2 con's
and little pictus cats

i dident know what a waterchange was
i dident do a w/c for 2 months and the fish were fine


im not saying its good
but you can get away with it

 

[PeacockBass]

im saying oscars are one of the most dirty fish there is
they are growing fine with 30% a month


now on the other hand if you had rays 30% a month would kill them before you have a chance to change the water


my dad has 4 oscars(sold of 2) 1 gt and 1 blue channel cat in a 150
he has 2 404's on it and 2 powerheads

Check the Nitritates. also, take a few pics of their heads for us. Nitrates are not "quick killers". Think of Nitrates as smoking. the long term effects will kill. not the short term.

I feel asthough you should already know the effects of nitrates so i wont discuss that.

please, take some pics of the system and close head shots of the fish for us.

 

[PeacockBass]

i dont do 30% on my tanks


but for some1 with hardy fish like oscars can get away with it





on my frist tank(90G)
i had
1 sliver aro
6 oscars
1 rtc
2 tsn
1 lima
2 jd
2 con's
and little pictus cats

i dident know what a waterchange was
i dident do a w/c for 2 months and the fish were fine


im not saying its good
but you can get away with it

you can also get away with feeding a baby 10mgs of bleach every day. just because an animal LIVES through an enviorment (short term i mind you) does not automatically mean the animal is "perfect" and "thriving".

Gold fish are used throughout the hobby to "cycle" a tank. they live though a changing PH and extreme levels of Ammonia. does this mean they are "thriving"? Sure, they Live in the ammonia, but that does not automatically mean they are "ok"..

Your logic is flawed.

 

[rayman45]

they have been it the tank for over year and a half now
and they are pairing off

i agree with to 100%
but 30 a month is bare min.

i tell my dad to do it more often but he dont listen

 

[PeacockBass]

here is another example using your Logic-

Lets take a look at the jews in the holocaust. Most of them were fed Just enough to stay alive and do daily activities... Now, using YOUR logic, this is fine because they are alive and living!!


incorrect.

 

[piranha45]

you can also get away with feeding a baby 10mgs of bleach every day. just because an animal LIVES through an enviorment (short term i mind you) does not automatically mean the animal is "perfect" and "thriving".

Gold fish are used throughout the hobby to "cycle" a tank. they live though a changing PH and extreme levels of Ammonia. does this mean they are "thriving"? Sure, they Live in the ammonia, but that does not automatically mean they are "ok"..

Your logic is flawed.

VERY well-said, sir!

 

[rayman45]

i bow to mister pecockbass

 

[JacksPets06]

Thanks peranha... wasnt to sure of that =D

 

[Griggs]

Well see, my pH straight out of my tap is around 8, which my plants dont agree with, so part of the job of my Co2 is it lower the pH a bit. I also do the 50/50 mixes to get the pH closer to 7. Even with both my pH is like 7.4 You said IF and ONLY IF the water your mixing with has similar pH, well mine doesnt, so its circumstantial.

 

[JacksPets06]

It doesnt matter what species of fish he has. The species of fish wont have anything to do with the toxicity of the Nitrate, ect ect.

what is your point?

I have had a range of different fish in a 90 gallon (guppies, mollies, tetras, etc...) and I have had nitrates through the roof for more then 2 weeks at a time, and they are all still living... It really does depend on the fish for how they are effected by nitrates...