Water hardness realities compared to what people say..
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Judging by size they're old enough to 100% defy the "soft water only" belief. They are in hard water tanks with hard water fish and they're large clown loaches (which remember, is directly contradictory to the experts).
There are millions of these videos on the internet which means there are millions of giant clown loaches raised in hard water tanks.
I would agree that soft water fish prefer soft water. I'd agree they probably do *better* in soft water. But I think it's definitely relative. I think soft water fish can thrive in hard water (as they obviously do). I think hard water fish can probably thrive in soft water if they have to (obviously some do).
Nothing about our tanks, from 10g's to 10,000g's are natural. These are fake environments. Your water will never be their natural water no matter what you do to it. The people with "My water is actually perfect for my fish" videos are actually wrong because they could never actually recreate the water parameters of nature. It's not possible. There's too many millions of variables that could never even hope to be recreated that makes natural water what it is.
Your still looking at YouTube and thinking just because a fish has reached a good size it's thriving, alot of cichlids reach a good size after 2 years but can still live for well over 10 years, and as I said earlier most of those fish on YouTube will never make it past 5 years old,,, not long enough to show the effects. But I do agree some fish the pH or hardness will have little effect just not all fidh
No I'm sorry that's wrong crazy internet dogma stuff.
Those clown loaches in that vid just by their size are at least 5+ years old (If I had to guess I'd say the larger ones are at least 6-8 years old) The size they are at means they are doing well. They are in hard water with hard water fish (we can tell it's hard water because of the unsophisticated, walmart-esq tank setup, the user clearly does not treat the water and has hard water fish).
There are millions of soft water fish 10+ years of age in hard water and you can't stand it.
I've not heard of clown loaches needing soft water, but I'm also not sure how gpg translates to ppm. I assume I'm converting it incorrectly because it looks like the highest points are only about 12 dH which seems barely adequate for some rift species.
Fish are adaptable + survival of the fittest (to withstand the ill treatment, including wrong water hardness).
The initial point is agreeable imho, that the soft water fish from SA adapt to harder than natural waters.
The difficulty is in defining the "thriving". The survival of a minuscule % of all fish sold to large sizes may not be a testament to thriving but to fish resilience.
The most commonly cited tell tail sign of "thriving" is when fish breed.
The initial point is agreeable imho, that the soft water fish from SA adapt to harder than natural waters.
The difficulty is in defining the "thriving". The survival of a minuscule % of all fish sold to large sizes may not be a testament to thriving but to fish resilience.
The most commonly cited tell tail sign of "thriving" is when fish breed.
totally agree, like i said my discus have bred in my hard water but they are tank raised.
take some wild discus or any soft water species and they usually do not breed, perhaps they might lay eggs but usually wont be fertilized. personally i think WC vs CB would make the biggest argument on this topic.
Tons? Really? I've only ever seen one central with hith. South Americans though... Hith city.
