water turnover in a ray tank

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Just to be a devils advocate, there is another side that believe that a slower flow rate allows the water to move slower over the Bio Bacteria thus allowing it to do its work more efficiently. I can't back either theory as I have no proof either way. Just throwing it out there.
 
Just to be a devils advocate, there is another side that believe that a slower flow rate allows the water to move slower over the Bio Bacteria thus allowing it to do its work more efficiently. I can't back either theory as I have no proof either way. Just throwing it out there.

This IS the best in my opinion. Rediculous flowrate through the mechanical and some submerged bio, then send water off at a lower flow allowing more contact or dwell time through a bio reactor or a wet/dry or both. ;)
 
I would go at least 10x. I run a 3600 gph pump on a 100 gallon rubbermaid wet/dry on my 300. I figure even at that flow rate there must be a ton of contact time with the bio. But I am considering upgrading to a couple ultima2 pond filters soon because I am a filter junky :)
 
I agree with db junkie. Essentially you need a large bio area, turnover doesn't really do a great deal but it will help clear up a messy tank.

I would much rather have a large filter with slow turnover than a fast turnover on a tiny filter.
 
I have a 180 gallon sump so even with high flow rate there is quite a lot of time for water to be in the slump before circulating back into the tank. My rays love the current and flow in the tank and are more active with the higher turnover IMO. Also I like to keep any junk that may be in the tank from the rays moving and into the filter socks I don't like that stuff sitting in with the rays.
 
Quite a bit of time? :ROFL:

If your 180 is empty it's gonna take a whopping what? 45 sec to hit water level (1/2-2/3 full sump) Even on the low side of your turnover you're 120 GPM. So dwell time might not be that much but it's compensated by the number of times it contacts the bio. It's a double edged sword.

I know filtration is hard to judge with turnover as you never know the path the water will take. I just go by how long it would take to fill the sump if empty. The reactors I use would take 6 minutes EACH to fill if empty.

Long story short there's 157 ways to skin a chipmunk and there's likely even more ways to do a filter. The only way you're ever going to know what works best is to experiment. Try something, if it works improve it. IF it sucks improve it. After a few years of improvements you'll KNOW what works best for you. Some people will go buy a fancy filter and call it good, and others (like me) will spend years and years making improvements striving for a filter that doesn't need improvements, and incorporates all the different kinds of media since apparently people can't agree on what works best, so it's argued that the "best" way is to use them ALL (submerged rings, bio reactor (K1) and bio ball/pot scrubbie bio towers.

Does anyone remember the Flower on roids from across seas? The "Sakura" that was raised in rediculous amounts of current and in turn was just ripped, VERY muscular. I don't think anyone here is gonna say rediculous turnover is a bad thing, but it's up to you how much cheeze you wanna give the electric company every month.

With rays in general it's nothing more then a gracefull balance between what is needed to keep them healthy and what is wastefull. I wish I knew where to draw the line... I'm into the electric company for $460/mo and the water bill for last month was 24K gallons. :(
 
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Personally i run right around 10x on all my tanks.. On my 300 gal i run around 3600gph.. :)
 
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