the dovii in the tank with the umbee had nothing to do with the problem. they were sperated in the tank and couldnt reach one another, but my water quality fell low with my rena xp4 taking a crap, then i found a giant male umbee for 50 bucks and i couldnt pass him up. he cut himself on a new piece of driftwood i had recently aquired to seperate from the dovii till i got a new tank, which i did a week ago today. OH WELL, it sucks but gotta move on, my dovii pair just had fry i post a couple pics let me know what you think