WC Ray Pup hardiness? Myths, Facts, etc ....?

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I'm one of those types. I talk directly with the people pulling them out of the wild, so I know location and have pics of them prior to shipping. The things you mentioned are all true. They do come in pretty stressed. Some shippers are much better than others. It's worth the extra shipping cost to have them moved in larger boxes with more water.

I've been very lucky when it comes to rays, though. Some of mine have gone from tube feeding just to keep them alive and then come full swing and are breeders for me now.
 
Tough call I think. Wild rays do go through alot before they make it to your tank. Someone mentioned how many wc rays actually survive vs the number that die before you get a healthy one. I have lost my share of wc rays. I think of wc as survival of the fittest. This can apply to other species of fish/corals/reptiles in the pet trade as well.

I do support captive breeding. This obviously reduces the demand for wild caught specimens. However, I think there could potentially be a drawback of cb animals. As ray keepers, we try to provide the best for our animals. In a litter of stingray pups, there usually are some pups that are naturally weaker than their littermates. In the wild, these weaker animals are more likely to die before reaching maturity. In a captive environment though, all pups in a litter have a better chance of survival because we are able to provide for them regardless of their fitness. Could this lead to future generations that have a lowered fitness level?
 
lincolngoh;3496959; said:
If you don't know how to tell the rays age, you could end up with a stunted ray.

OK, I will be the one to ask, (cause I truly didn't know) How do you tell
a rays age. Not like you can look at tooth wear like in deer.:)
 
can you even get a stunted ray :confused:

a stunted ray would be a skinny and dead ray wouldn't it :confused:
 
I've seen some kept in small tanks that end up much smaller than average. The other side of that is the keepers who claim they just have small animals, and it had nothing to do with the small tank.
 
ShadowStryder;3497315; said:
OK, I will be the one to ask, (cause I truly didn't know) How do you tell
a rays age.
Slice 'em in half and count the rings. Just like a tree.
 
spotfin;3496385; said:
In a captive environment though, all pups in a litter have a better chance of survival because we are able to provide for them regardless of their fitness. Could this lead to future generations that have a lowered fitness level?

The simple answer: no.

The fine print: Yes, any present inheritable weaknesses in your breeding population are going to be passed down, and are more likely to evenly propogate in the gene pool than they otherwise would be. The easy solution to that would be to breed only healthy individuals. The fact is that to see meaningful genetic drift or new weaknesses emerge we would have to be doing captive breeding for time scales measured (conservitatively) in the thousands of years*. We’re talking about the fringes of geologic time. Think continental drift. (Also, a buffering factor in this would be that the healthy traits would presumably still provide some slim benefit, or at least would not hinder the individual’s chances at reproduction.)

While what you are talking about is technically possible, it isn’t something that we need to worry about on this scale. This fear is much akin to fearing that a sapling tree may impale you while it grows during your morning walk. Trees grow much too slowly to be dangerous, obviously, although they can appear quite violent in time-lapse growth (especially when they get into a ”shoving” match with another tree over access to sunlight.)

*This (more) natural selection should not be confused with outright deliberate fitness or trait-based artifical selection. Simply allowing individuals to breed, and not choosing individuals based on specific traits, would not change the gene pool in any measurable degree for quite some time. This cannot be said if deliberate traits are selected for in breeding, such as in the case of modern cattle, horses, bananas, or almost anything else that we eat, ride, milk, grow, or bet money on.
 
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