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PH is from my test kit. Ive always had 8.0 PH here (give or take).

I think your right, it was almost as if he melted. When I grabbed him with the prongs, I had to tug him as if i was peeling him off the bottom.

Hmm... So if my water is different than Wes, how the heck would I acclimate him to my water if i were to try again? Drip


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sorry about your loss that stinks. That high slime production is typically from severe irritation. It seems like they didn't like something in your tank.
I have a group of four from Wes that I have had collectively for two years. The first one I got he kept in pure fw. The second group of three had some marine salt thrown in their tank. When I got the second group I added aquarium salt to the tank and haven't done so since. The only thing I add is a seachem GH booster. I acclimated them the same way you did. I wonder if it has to do with the GH of your water?
 
West1 said:
PH is from my test kit. Ive always had 8.0 PH here (give or take).

I think your right, it was almost as if he melted. When I grabbed him with the prongs, I had to tug him as if i was peeling him off the bottom.

Hmm... So if my water is different than Wes, how the heck would I acclimate him to my water if i were to try again? Drip


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Match yours to Wes's?

I always had troubles acclimating dirty Shawn's fish to my water. To minimize losses as an importer he mimic'd the river via RO then I'd take them home and hope they made it through the first night with my liquid rock tap water.

Problem is I had to loose a lot of fish before I realized they weren't just magically dying and it wasn't a fluke. The slower I acclimated the better off I was. There was some rays I dripped for almost 2 hours and they still wouldn't eat for a week. Bigger problem is it was all theory cause I didn't have a probe to check the water with to be able to confirm anything, so I could just have an over active imagination, but I know that since getting a probe and matching up conductivity numbers I haven't had any problems flopping fish from tank to tank here, and they used to go on hunger strikes going tank to tank, but then again I had no idea how different the readings were tank to tank ..... :(

The even bigger problem with conductivity is once you start talking any amount of salt in the water it all goes out the window as salt knocks the number through the roof.
 
To be honest, i never check the current water params with my params. Just acclimate and lets go :)

I like these little buggers and I need to defeat the loss. I've never seen a fish die this was so i was shocked.


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West1 said:
To be honest, i never check the current water params with my params. Just acclimate and lets go :)

I like these little buggers and I need to defeat the loss. I've never seen a fish die this was so i was shocked.


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I don't blame you, I never tested anything till I got to the point of grasping for straws. No point in testing things it's everything's on a gravy train with biscuit wheels and every things coming up Milhouse....

It took me desperate times to take desperate measures, and I still don't know if I have anything more then a stupid idea, but if it is something as simple as a number I wasn't watching then what other choice do we have then to kill the curious cat and try to prove/disprove the number we weren't watching either has something or nothing to do with the issue at hand?

Are both you guys using salt?
 
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I don't blame you, I never tested anything till I got to the point of grasping for straws. No point in testing things it's everything's on a gravy train with biscuit wheels and every things coming up Milhouse....

It took me desperate times to take desperate measures, and I still don't know if I have anything more then a stupid idea, but if it is something as simple as a number I wasn't watching then what other choice do we have then to kill the curious cat and try to prove/disprove the number we weren't watching either has something or nothing to do with the issue at hand?

Are both you guys using salt?
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No I am not using any salt in their tank. I only used it back when I received the second order of three. At that time I added as tablespoon per five gallons. That was at least over a year ago. The only additives I use on their tank is seachem safe and seachem equilibrium.
 
West1, I'll take care of you and we can talk and try this again.

Personal experience. I've had these 10 years ago, and on and off in the past 6 years, never lost a single one of them, these are rather hardy.

Neoprodigy had a group he kept in tupperwares on a drip system, feeding fish pellet sticks for years, and they were bright yellow colored.

Conductivity may be stripped if you're using pothos in your tank and possibly the lack of coral sand, as compared to mine, which may have sent it into shock. Until we rectify this, we cannot keep them again.

This is what I wrote to DB junkie on an email: The exact collection point on these fish will always be a mystery. Indonesia a country, scattered with thousands of islands, and many of the islands hold pockets of inland salt water lakes, or freshwater water bodies that hold salt water fish. There are sharks, dolphins, jelly fish, sawfish that are found in complete freshwater. Likewise the origin of these eels.

There is no science stating that fish need to move to salt water at a certain stage in life, if they are eating great and living months like they are in your tank, as long as you don't do something to introduce disease or disrupt their current conditions, they should live long and happy.

Do you remember the recent discovery of all those shrimps from Sulawesi? All the fish and shrimps from the lakes resemble salt water animals, matter of fact, they have freshwater sponges in the lake. I can write an entire book supporting these theories, and its difficult to explain it sometimes. There are also landlocked manmade damns in Australia that hold saltwater fish that reproduce and thrive in them.
 
Do you know if it was the batch from freshwater or from brackish? If it was the brackish, the rapid transition from that to full fresh could have freaked it out. I've seen the slime before when a moray of mine died once but that was years ago. It does look like some type of ammonia burn to me as well though. Is there a chance that your tests could be off? How old is the kit? What I like to do when dealing with any wild caught fish is do a drip acclimation process for a long time. My newest bichir I got was acclimated for a good 2 hours before I put it in the tank and I even matched the water temps first before I started dripping.


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fugupuff said:
West1, I'll take care of you and we can talk and try this again.

Personal experience. I've had these 10 years ago, and on and off in the past 6 years, never lost a single one of them, these are rather hardy.

Neoprodigy had a group he kept in tupperwares on a drip system, feeding fish pellet sticks for years, and they were bright yellow colored.

Conductivity may be stripped if you're using pothos in your tank and possibly the lack of coral sand, as compared to mine, which may have sent it into shock. Until we rectify this, we cannot keep them again.

This is what I wrote to DB junkie on an email: The exact collection point on these fish will always be a mystery. Indonesia a country, scattered with thousands of islands, and many of the islands hold pockets of inland salt water lakes, or freshwater water bodies that hold salt water fish. There are sharks, dolphins, jelly fish, sawfish that are found in complete freshwater. Likewise the origin of these eels.

There is no science stating that fish need to move to salt water at a certain stage in life, if they are eating great and living months like they are in your tank, as long as you don't do something to introduce disease or disrupt their current conditions, they should live long and happy.

Do you remember the recent discovery of all those shrimps from Sulawesi? All the fish and shrimps from the lakes resemble salt water animals, matter of fact, they have freshwater sponges in the lake. I can write an entire book supporting these theories, and its difficult to explain it sometimes. There are also landlocked manmade damns in Australia that hold saltwater fish that reproduce and thrive in them.
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Oh sweet, Thanks Wes. I do believe the crushed coral is the only difference between our setups. I am not a fan of it (visually) but i'll get some this week.
 
West1 said:
Oh sweet, Thanks Wes. I do believe the crushed coral is the only difference between our setups. I am not a fan of it (visually) but i'll get some this week.
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It doesn't have to be used as substrate, you could keep a few bags in the sump or filters and they might be enough.

There's plenty of them out there being kept in pure fresh, the whole brackish/fresh thing shouldn't even be a debate. Charney and I both have happy groups in pure fresh.

I bet you have better luck next time around!

Keep us posted E!!!
 
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