I definitely agree with you! Especially the part where their patterns become disarrayed/disoriented. You guys can look at the EndlixAnsorgii hybrids. They look neat when small but when they get larger their patterns are so disoriented. Wild caught is definitely the way to go.I honestly don't like these CB Koliba. May just be me, but they are nothing compared to the WC ones. The juveniles appear nice as they are young with distinct patterns, but they never develop into the same quality patterns as WC koliba. To me they even get worse as they mature as their patterns begin to become disarrayed and disoriented. The first one that I've seen hace any good patterns as it matured was the one Vancouver posted, and even then I'd much rather prefer WC. Just my 2 cents tho