What are some common aquarium fish that haven't been bred in captivity/in the home aquarium
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I know of a species that is from what I heard is functionally extinct its the white mountain cloud minnow is this true? Because google isnt really helping that much.
Yes that’s correct. They are nice looking minnows
There are...a lot of marine ornamental fish that are still wild caught, so there's a lot of "low hanging fruit" available...as long as you consider marine fish to be low hanging fruit.
I don't think I've heard of captive bred kuhli loaches, or just loaches in general aside from hillstreams. Same with most brackish fish; one of the archerfish species got bred a while back, but it's still hard to find specimens, wild caught or captive bred. Puffers are similarly hard to breed, and hard to find captve bred as well. The same goes with flounders too.
Even if you're going for the glory, you should pick a fish that you enjoy keeping. Example: I like keeping firefish, and I think the trade could benefit from captive bred individuals, so I'm working with a trio now. The hobby could also benefit from more people in the CARES program, but a lot of the endangered, never been bred fish, are just...not my style, so I probably won't go for breeding them at the moment.
I don't think I've heard of captive bred kuhli loaches, or just loaches in general aside from hillstreams. Same with most brackish fish; one of the archerfish species got bred a while back, but it's still hard to find specimens, wild caught or captive bred. Puffers are similarly hard to breed, and hard to find captve bred as well. The same goes with flounders too.
Even if you're going for the glory, you should pick a fish that you enjoy keeping. Example: I like keeping firefish, and I think the trade could benefit from captive bred individuals, so I'm working with a trio now. The hobby could also benefit from more people in the CARES program, but a lot of the endangered, never been bred fish, are just...not my style, so I probably won't go for breeding them at the moment.
Most of my group was bred apparently. Triggered with cold water changes and strobe lights for thunderstorms. Maybe I will try this when summer hits.
I thought it was balas that were almost extinct. Is it the same with red tails?
Also just to add to the list has of not captive bred fish, most puffers.
Believed to be extinct for 20 years till a small population was found on an island. However they are very easy to captive bred, toss them in a tub on the porch and they will go nuts with some feedings.
I have no doubt that this guy is successfully breeding clown loach. As I said in my earlier post they are routinely being bred on a large scale on fish farms, we know this. The problem I have with that video is that he says absolutely nothing about how he does it. Not as much as a scrap of detail just to tantalise us even. But on the other hand I can also see it from his point of view too. Why would he divulge details to the masses. If he has a successful business he wants to protect it.
I'd say that getting clown loach to naturally spawn in an aquarium, or even a massive holding vat, as these farms have, is virtually impossible. This is because they migrate to their spawning grounds. But milking spawning aged fish and using hormones is certainly doable, I suspect this is how he has been successful.
But even milking fish and using hormones is still way way beyond an average hobbyist.
I could barely see much clearly at 10:30 and on in the vid for two reasons. First it went out of focus some there and then ads covered most of the screen. I am not registered on Google so I may not always see the sames thing others do (or don't).
I have seen claims of clown loach breeding before. Until I see eggs, and hopefully wigglers, and then true tiny fry one can see clearly, I will remain a skeptic. It reminds me of out president and his claim he is being audited. Anybody who is being audited gets a notice in writing from the IRS notifying them of the fat that their reyurn is being audited. So all he has to do to prove his claim is to show that letter if it existed.
https://www.loaches.com/articles/clown-loach-breeding-related-items
If you want to claim to breed clowns, then the proof is in documenting the act of spawning, the existence of eggs and/or wiiglers and newly free swimming fry. I want clear and un-doctored vids/pics. I cannot say for sure what he did or did not do from that vid. So I will remain a skeptic for now.
Re the Q asking for what pair of fish I paid $1,000, it was not a pair it was a per fish price. I was sent a group of wild L173 by a collector/importer in the states. The deal was I would try to spawn them but he retained ownership of them. If I succeeded. any fry would be half mine, I did succeed and it is documented online. Another client of my guy in Japan read about what I was doing and offered my guy $1,500/fish for proven breeders. My guy thought I should end up with them since I made them so valuable. Ultimately, I agreed to $1,000 a fish but 30% of that was in th form of forging make goods I was owed worth about $3k.
I started out by purchasing a breeding pleco group with a few babies included in Apr. 2006. I got lucky and managed to parlay them into another 6 or 7 species over the years. For the most part working with a few rarer plecos has paid all my hobby costs. However, I am old and on a path to leaving the hobby by the end of 2023. I have already reduced my species by two this year and have two more I am about to offer for sale. Part of the makes goods was because I was sent different fish than I had ordered. Fortunately. those fish also made babies and proven breeders so in the end it was not as pricey as it appears.
I have been very lucky. My well water seems to contain a natural fish aprodisiac for Amazonian fish, especially Hypancistrus from the big bend of the Rio Xingu.
There is one more benefit to spawning rarer, pricier fish. It has enabled me to help support a few sites and organizations which do good things for the hobby and fish keepers.
Finally. I chose fish that I wanted to have for myself. I have a weakness for B&W fish. I had corys, angels, rainbows, danios, rosy barbs, assorted montezuma swordtails, danios, and other fish spawn in my tanks. But I needed fish which were smaller, which would do most of the work for me and whixh I did not need 100s of to break even. Zebra pleco was the perfect fish. And everything I have worked with since had similar qualities.
Whatever fish you decide on, it should be one you would want to keep even without spawning. The project gets better when it is something rarer and which you may be able to spread into the hobby. It doesn't hurt if it is a species that may be or become threatened in the wild. Pretty much everybody on this site keeps tanks as a hobby because we love it. So make sure that also applies to whatever you choose to tyr for your breeding project.
I have seen claims of clown loach breeding before. Until I see eggs, and hopefully wigglers, and then true tiny fry one can see clearly, I will remain a skeptic. It reminds me of out president and his claim he is being audited. Anybody who is being audited gets a notice in writing from the IRS notifying them of the fat that their reyurn is being audited. So all he has to do to prove his claim is to show that letter if it existed.
https://www.loaches.com/articles/clown-loach-breeding-related-items
If you want to claim to breed clowns, then the proof is in documenting the act of spawning, the existence of eggs and/or wiiglers and newly free swimming fry. I want clear and un-doctored vids/pics. I cannot say for sure what he did or did not do from that vid. So I will remain a skeptic for now.
Re the Q asking for what pair of fish I paid $1,000, it was not a pair it was a per fish price. I was sent a group of wild L173 by a collector/importer in the states. The deal was I would try to spawn them but he retained ownership of them. If I succeeded. any fry would be half mine, I did succeed and it is documented online. Another client of my guy in Japan read about what I was doing and offered my guy $1,500/fish for proven breeders. My guy thought I should end up with them since I made them so valuable. Ultimately, I agreed to $1,000 a fish but 30% of that was in th form of forging make goods I was owed worth about $3k.
I started out by purchasing a breeding pleco group with a few babies included in Apr. 2006. I got lucky and managed to parlay them into another 6 or 7 species over the years. For the most part working with a few rarer plecos has paid all my hobby costs. However, I am old and on a path to leaving the hobby by the end of 2023. I have already reduced my species by two this year and have two more I am about to offer for sale. Part of the makes goods was because I was sent different fish than I had ordered. Fortunately. those fish also made babies and proven breeders so in the end it was not as pricey as it appears.
I have been very lucky. My well water seems to contain a natural fish aprodisiac for Amazonian fish, especially Hypancistrus from the big bend of the Rio Xingu.
There is one more benefit to spawning rarer, pricier fish. It has enabled me to help support a few sites and organizations which do good things for the hobby and fish keepers.
Finally. I chose fish that I wanted to have for myself. I have a weakness for B&W fish. I had corys, angels, rainbows, danios, rosy barbs, assorted montezuma swordtails, danios, and other fish spawn in my tanks. But I needed fish which were smaller, which would do most of the work for me and whixh I did not need 100s of to break even. Zebra pleco was the perfect fish. And everything I have worked with since had similar qualities.
Whatever fish you decide on, it should be one you would want to keep even without spawning. The project gets better when it is something rarer and which you may be able to spread into the hobby. It doesn't hurt if it is a species that may be or become threatened in the wild. Pretty much everybody on this site keeps tanks as a hobby because we love it. So make sure that also applies to whatever you choose to tyr for your breeding project.
