What are you feeding YOUR fish?!

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The alternatives are already known, some of which have been in use for hundreds of years. Tocopherol's are basically Vitamin E and are on the Coast Guard approved list of preservatives that can be used to preserve fish meals. Just a properly prepared and dried food, absent any preservatives, will provide a shelf life up to a year. Natural preservatives, such as mixed-tocopherol's, can add a year or more onto that.

What you will not achieve, absent the artificial preservatives, is the almost indefinite shelf life.

F1 Vet, dude, you've defined your argument perfectly well. The risks are acceptable to you, they are just fish. Cool. I can buy that. I, on the other hand, hope for better.
 
Y feed my fish w hikari bio gold+ but after some reading on the forum (RD)i will try a 5 pound NLS jumbo floating pellet for my oscars and midas

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kmuda said:
The alternatives are already known, some of which have been in use for hundreds of years. Tocopherol's are basically Vitamin E and are on the Coast Guard approved list of preservatives that can be used to preserve fish meals. Just a properly prepared and dried food, absent any preservatives, will provide a shelf life up to a year. Natural preservatives, such as mixed-tocopherol's, can add a year or more onto that.

What you will not achieve, absent the artificial preservatives, is the almost indefinite shelf life.

F1 Vet, dude, you've defined your argument perfectly well. The risks are acceptable to you, they are just fish. Cool. I can buy that. I, on the other hand, hope for better.
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I respect that man, my Piranha have been on NLS for 9 months, and so far much better health and color then any other food I've tried before (hikari, o1) I still supplement with fresh shrimp, talapia and smelt as well, and I've seen fish on NLS for decades that look great and live long and healthy years!

I appreciate you being civil, honestly I was expecting you to be immature and flame me. But their not just fish, they are my pride and joy, that's why I feed NLS :

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I feel better feeding them fresh food from grocery stores. No added preservatives or other chemicals. Then occasionally stuff their food with hikari pellets.

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F1 VET said:
I appreciate you being civil, honestly I was expecting you to be immature and flame me. But their not just fish, they are my pride and joy, that's why I feed NLS
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I run my own forum. I'm not about flaming anyone, that get's nowhere other than getting threads locked. I am about the same thing Pablo was about when he started NLS.... and that's about finding a better way that results in a better food.

Since we are sharing pics, here is my Oscar tank.

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While not a "monster fish", here is my 23 year old Kissing Gourami.
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I have a total of 6 tanks currently up and running, which is actually down from where I normally am.

My goal is simple, to get the Oscar in the first pic to live as long as the Kissing Gourami in the second pic. Not out of any "tree hugger" (as labeled by RD) mentality. More for the challenge of it.
 
NLS 2mm,6mm,10mm. Massivore, raw shrimp, talapia, night crawlers, and gold fish flake food for fry till they get onto the pellets.

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RD. said:
Some of the most experienced & most knowledgeable people on this forum that keep gars personally, and are involved in raising them on a commercial basis, as well as performing controlled feed trials and studying them on a PhD level, feed pellets. Nothing new there Vet.

http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?348258-Live-vs-Prepared-vs-Pellet

MonsterMini will remember that one.

BTW - not too sure why you would use the term racist, the correct term would be biased, or perhaps prejudice, but certainly not racist. Racism has nothing to do with this discussion.


So, is it safe to assume that the ethoxyquin debate is now over?
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That was a great Thread RD, and You did convince me that pellets do have their place in our pets diets.. Just like my multivitamin does in mine. And my use of words gets me into trouble constantly why would it change here? I did mean biased.

And Alan you got "flamed" for suggesting people put YOY gar on pellets.. when even the PhDs agreed that the first year free feeding live fish IS better, and starving leads to stunting. I've had a few discussions with the gar experts.

But argueing wether fish should only be fed a pelleted diet is like argueing we should always eat processed foods too... which we know is false. Common sense would suggest our pets are no better off then we are. But societys accepted it for a long time.

Its the whole Raw diet vs Pedigree in the dog world...some peopel are happy with what works... others want better.

OP that kisser looks amazing for it's age how big is it?
 
This isn't about some clash between philosophic world views, or the porous conceptual borders between risk & uncertainty.

How about we ask the food manufacturers to let us know, in ppm, how much Ethoxyquin is in the food?
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Why is this unreasonable? Questioning the quantity of a drug in fish food = slander against MFK or blasphemy. WTF?
 
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