This is where it tends to get a little blurred. I disagree. In my opinion its still a Hybrid. Not a pure strain. I was talking with the owner of one of my LFS's a while back and he bascially said that BP's sell out every time he gets them in his shop so obviously some hobbiests like the fish otherwise he wouldn't be selling them like hot cakes. Weather it be a pure Trimac or a blood Parrot, if it gets someone involved in the hobby, I think that is a good thing.
What are your opinions about hybrid cichlids?
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This is where it tends to get a little blurred. I disagree. In my opinion its still a Hybrid. Not a pure strain. I was talking with the owner of one of my LFS's a while back and he bascially said that BP's sell out every time he gets them in his shop so obviously some hobbiests like the fish otherwise he wouldn't be selling them like hot cakes. Weather it be a pure Trimac or a blood Parrot, if it gets someone involved in the hobby, I think that is a good thing.
I was actually thinking of the thread where you first referenced both the natural and unnatural hybridization of Citrinellus and Labiatus. I think it would be an interesting read for others viewing this thread. I personally don't have a problem with hybrids just as long as they are properly represented in trades and sales. I feel the same way about all fish in the hobby. I have plenty of naturally occurring cichlids to keep in the future, enough that will keep my interest more than most hybrids. Everyone has their own preferences. So this thread, like the many before it can go on and on with more of the same arguments and hurt feelings. People are going to keep what they like regardless of the next guy's argument. The threat of released hybrids in non-native habitats is just as bad as releasing pure species in the same manner. Everyone just needs to practice good fish keeping and common sense. Not much reason to argue over anything else.
I don't like or hate hybrids. I breed OB peacocks, FYI. At that I personally don't consider hybrids real fish but rather products of greedy individuals (like me). Since I'm kinda adverse to hybrids to begin with I'm all for culling the crap out of them and only retaining the most outstanding specimens. Don't worry when I say culling I just mean using them to feed my big fish.
I agree despite liking and breeding hybrids... hybridization dilutes the value of actual specimens and is overall bad for the industry, as well as wild populations. Line breeding is fine IMHO.
I agree despite liking and breeding hybrids... hybridization dilutes the value of actual specimens and is overall bad for the industry, as well as wild populations. Line breeding is fine IMHO.
If you wonder why I have hybrids... pretty much because I loved OB peacocks long before I ever knew they were hybrids.
The thing that always gets me when I read threads like this, is that the most alarming thing is not the "all hail hybrids" hobbyists or the "wild-caught or nothing" purists. It's the ify "on the fence" middle ground. I mean read through this thread and see how many people don't understand what fishes are hybrids and which aren't, yet have a solid stance about "hybrids" ..... that's scary.
For me, it doesn't have anything to do with hybridization. If you don't mind a corny metaphor - it's the destination, not the road you take to get there. So it comes down to natural vs. unnatural, which conveniently enough results in lumping hybrids and line bred together, which leaves a rather simple all-inclusive decision.
For me, it doesn't have anything to do with hybridization. If you don't mind a corny metaphor - it's the destination, not the road you take to get there. So it comes down to natural vs. unnatural, which conveniently enough results in lumping hybrids and line bred together, which leaves a rather simple all-inclusive decision.
So you're saying crossing the different types of Discus still makes them "pure" breeds? As well as Angels? Lmao..
Did you read my post, or just skim it and make assumptions?
In any case, you obviously didn't understand the point I was making. I agree with your points in this post; there are some major hybridizing issues throughout the Vieja genus (which is why I used the syn for my example), and many others as well. The problem is, these issues have not been caused by cross breeding with any of the species you mentioned in your previous post, again with the exception of the midevils. Hybridization among the other species (discus, angels, guppies) is an issue that is confined within a single genus in each case, as opposed to an issue that effects literally hundreds of different genera as many of the CA hybrids do. So basically what I'm saying is that it is not a valid defense against those of us who are against FH's and other CA hybrids, given the massive difference in magnitude between the issues you brought up and those that are being discussed here.
That defies logic. How does one keep a hybrid that has not been produced?
