What do you believe is cruelty or abuse when it comes to fish?

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Pet stores should be required to take back the fish they sell when they are no longer wanted. There is not a pet store out there that would stock Pacu or RTC if that was the case.
 
skjl47 said:
Hello; All of us are keeping fish outside of natural conditions, that to some degree or other could be said to be cruel. However, I do understand the OP to be considering "cruelty or abuse" within the parameters of what might be called "good fishkeeping practice". Having read threads on this and other fishkeeeping forums, I must conclude the range of these practices is extremely wide. Search thru threads on such things as water changes, UGF, stocking density, tank size for particular fish and such.

That, so far, some group is not empowered to dictate to me about how I must keep my fish is to my likeing. I have seen many of the things cited thus far. Over the decades several folks have seen my tanks and decided to start keeping fish. I use to encourage them. The large majority of their tanks ended badly for the fish. I no longer give folks any encouragement and in fact make the hobby sound more difficult than it is.

I do agree that many fishkeepers, fish shops, breeders and collectors have practices that are cruel or abusive whether intentional or not. Even so I still do not want a watchdog, no matter how well intentioned.
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+1.
The people who can house and properly care for the animals for the life of the animal, should not have to have a group or organization etc... Watching or restricting the hobby they love.


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Rokuzachi have you gotten rid of your fish because confining them would be considered cruel if done to a human. This thread is just what PETA and the HSUS are looking for to shut down our hobby. Why would anybody want to make a law that a LFS has to take your fish back when you get tired of it. That would run every LFS out of business is that what is wanted. If you people want to know what cruel is look at nature there is nothing more cruel. Maybe we should make a law to ban it I mean what gives a coyote the right to eat a deer alive starting at the back end. Let us not point fingers at others if they make a mistake but instead offer them some good advice that will help them. It happens on here all the time some guy makes a post believes he is doing his bet and suddenly he is left feeling 2 inches tall. We have all made mistakes and guess what we will probably do it again. No one is perfect so lets help each other instead of giving fuel to PETA and other animal rights groups to end our hobby.
 
mike_sema said:
Licensing and permit are to different things,, licensing a dog in AZ is nothing more then creating revenue for the city and state. It dose not give any requirements to own or posses.


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license and permit are pretty much exactly the same ...but that isn't the argument ,really ,,nice attempt at distraction though ...back to the over regulated thing ,,, that's a POLITICAL DEBATE pretty much not allowed on here ,,but if it was I would point out that's a simplistic excuse for people who can't play by the rules or figure out why they don't get to do whatever they want
 
Feeding live fish or any animal to a bigger fish. Yes I understand they might eat fish in the wild but putting a fish that has no chance of escape is horrible.

Let me put you in a room with lions and watch from the window.


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See now with my gar I can only get him to take live food, so is feeding him cruel to the feeders? See stuff like this can go back and forth so it should come down to this, clean water,right amount of space to move around (almost no one can give this in a tank), and a good diet. Anything else is up to the owner to see if its cruel or not.
 
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