What fish will you NEVER EVER keep with cichlids?

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1 piranha has the same prey drive as a shoal. I’m talking from experience where I attempted cohabbing my red with a Texas cichlid. The Texas tried to lip lock the piranha and you can probably guess what happened there - a week later I found half of the fish swimming around. The same p also took a chunk out of a leporinus’s face (the one in my profile pic).
It’s not just about size, but behavior and weaponry. I’d sooner trust a natural scavenger like a rtc with an Oscar than a pygo. I can’t say I’d trust the rtc either, but it’s less likely to prey on it imo.
FWIW I wouldn’t trust the wolf or payara with your fish either long term. I know it’s a somewhat common cohab but they are just very violent fish. Even if it won’t eat them, it can seriously injure your other stock.
We'll see the the payara if it will work or not. From the people I asked for, they say you can either get a peaceful ones or an extremely aggressive ones. Depends on luck, I guess. Though I kinda trust my wolf fish to be unable to eat my cichlids. Cuz I heard hoplias malabaricus usually don't exceed 16" with a few exceptions exceeds 16" in aquarium, I also heard you can get lucky with them if you get a less aggressive ones. Though IDK how big can an armatus get in aquarium. I'd love to try having a piranha myself if it wasn't goddamn expensive and illegal here😅. I think large cichlids can overcome piranhas, but their instinct is to fight by lips locking, yep, doing that against a piranha is already a lost, but I've heard of some people managed to cohabit piranhas with oscars(somehow). Maybe the amounts of fish in your tank wasn't a lot? Anyways, how do people get RTC to live with oscars and large cichlids without RTC eating all of them long term? Is that even possible? Is there any trick? Just curious. Anyways, I'd trust a tiger shovelnose more than a RTC, hahaha.
 
I actually don't think I am strict about keeping fish, but.....
because I was a microbiologist, I am aware, that a fish evolved to live in the pH 5, soft and low mineral content, tannin stained waters of the Orinoco, such as Colombian oscars or Cichla , will not be immune or equip to resist the infective bacteria that inhabit the pH 8.2, annd hard waters of the Mamoni river in Panama.
The cichlids are not all that overtly sensitive, but bacteria are.
All you need do, is check the disease section and see all the queries about "mysterious maladies" , or are scarred up with HITH just as they hit 2 years or age, that arise when cichlids such as oscars are forced to live in water they have not evolved or resist infections in, and vice versa.
Maybe strict wasn't the best word. I'm just really bad at wording, sorry. I couldn't think of the word at that moment.🙏
 
At the end of the day, the species that are going to be best suited for living with a particular species are the species that already do exist with it in nature.
It's not so much a matter of being strict, as it is being realistic with what is best for a stable fish-tank in the long run.
There are many fishes that care far less in regards to water, or tank-mates- but in the same vein there are many that do.
As Duane said, the water-chemistry matters a lot with many species, and not following it can lead to complications down the line.
Like altums, and wild discus, that are adamant about soft water with almost no TDS or conductivity. They are no less a cichlid than a Haplochromine from Lake Malawi.
On top of that, a fish-tank is highly unnatural, and brings out odd behaviours in fish; viewing how they act in situ makes it all the more clear.
For instance, a lot of Crenicichla (especially larger spp.; saxatilis-group/Saxatilia, lugubris-group/Lugubria) are seemingly rather passive in the wild, and oftentimes form large shoals.
In captivity, they are regarded as fiercely aggressive and highly territorial to the point of being intolerant of other tank-mates, because the given space they are forced to inhabit is substantially limited.
I think the question is too broad to be able to answer it well- after all, there are answers that apply to all fish, such as any fish that is excessively territorial/aggressive, a fish big enough to eat the cichlid, a fish that will be harassed to death or killed/eaten, etc.
You did elaborate on wanting to know of fish that would be able to eat a large cichlid... but to me that would be almost any larger predatory fish; and you did sort of answer your own question by pointing out the obvious mainstream examples- there aren't too many others that are going to be found that an aquarist would keep with an aggressive Parachromis/Andinoacara/Cichla because they would know better than to do that, if they seek out such species (like many of the predatory Asian cyprinids, Lake Tanganyikan Lates spp, larger Silurus spp., etc)
I myself prefer to keep cichlids either in a species-only setup, or as a 'biotope'-type setup with other species from similar/same waters.
Then again I mostly do this because I prefer keeping smaller Geophagini and 'dwarf' West Africans, that are more sensitive and particular about their water and tank-mates.
We will see how this will work out or if it will be a fail attempt. My cichlids haven't shown any kind of disease or sickness so far, some I've kept for more than a year by now.
 
Hi! What fish do you guys consider MUST NOT be kept with medium and large sized cichlids(such as Jack Dempsey, Peacock Bass, Oscar, Jaguar and Dovii as examples) at all costs, not because aggression, but because they 100% will and are going to eat your cichlids, guaranteed. Especially those that I've seen being kept with cichlids many times such as RTC, Tiger Shovelnose, Large catfish that grew over 1 metres, alligator gars, arapaima and many more.
Hello! A lot of people run into trouble here because they see cichlids as “tough” and assume they can hang with anything. Truth is, there are some predators out there that will 100% turn even a big oscar or jag into a snack the second they can fit.

The ones I’d say absolutely never mix with medium/large cichlids are:
  • Redtail Catfish (RTC) – The poster child for “cute at 3 inches, monster at 3 feet.” They’ll inhale anything they can fit in their mouth, and their mouth is basically a vacuum cleaner.
  • Tiger Shovelnose Catfish – Gorgeous fish, but they’re ambush predators and will happily swallow a cichlid that’s half their size.
  • Arapaima – No explanation needed, these guys don’t belong in aquariums with anything smaller than a person.
  • Alligator Gar – Same story. Even if they don’t try to eat your cichlids right away, they’ll outgrow and outmuscle them fast.
  • Wels / Wallago / Giant catfish species – They’re basically designed to eat other fish for a living, including “big” cichlids.
Basically, anything that grows past 3 to 4 feet and is a straight-up predator should be on the “hard no” list. Even if your cichlids seem big and aggressive now, once those monsters hit size, it’s not a fair fight, it’s lunch.

If you want big, impressive tankmates that look predatory but won’t automatically eat your cichlids, you’re better off with things like bichirs, datnoids, or certain smaller catfish species that top out at manageable sizes.
 
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Hello! A lot of people run into trouble here because they see cichlids as “tough” and assume they can hang with anything. Truth is, there are some predators out there that will 100% turn even a big oscar or jag into a snack the second they can fit.

The ones I’d say absolutely never mix with medium/large cichlids are:
  • Redtail Catfish (RTC) – The poster child for “cute at 3 inches, monster at 3 feet.” They’ll inhale anything they can fit in their mouth, and their mouth is basically a vacuum cleaner.
  • Tiger Shovelnose Catfish – Gorgeous fish, but they’re ambush predators and will happily swallow a cichlid that’s half their size.
  • Arapaima – No explanation needed, these guys don’t belong in aquariums with anything smaller than a person.
  • Alligator Gar – Same story. Even if they don’t try to eat your cichlids right away, they’ll outgrow and outmuscle them fast.
  • Wels / Wallago / Giant catfish species – They’re basically designed to eat other fish for a living, including “big” cichlids.
Basically, anything that grows past 3 to 4 feet and is a straight-up predator should be on the “hard no” list. Even if your cichlids seem big and aggressive now, once those monsters hit size, it’s not a fair fight, it’s lunch.

If you want big, impressive tankmates that look predatory but won’t automatically eat your cichlids, you’re better off with things like bichirs, datnoids, or certain smaller catfish species that top out at manageable sizes.
Will Florida gar work?
 
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Will Florida gar work?
FYI you’re asking ChatGPT if you ask bluefield

To answer the question (with admittedly no experience there), I think it would be a similar story to wolves or payara. There’s a great potential for injury of either party but probably not impossible - just not recommended. With the feral Oscars and pbass in Florida I’m sure they’re naturally interacting.
 
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