what is this hybrid? was told flwr x parrot

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izzy_here;4454563; said:
The difference between a killin/kirrin and a bonsai/short body FH is whatever the breeder of that fish says it is. Sorry but thats it and thats that, they are hybrids, you will get every "grade" in almost every breeding. The phenotype's are not set, variations begin to occur the moment you cross out of the species. I have seen "kirrin" and "bonsai" phenotypes from every conceivable breeding, to me there is no specific pattern or method to obtaining either one. If it looks like a parrot then it is if it looks like a bonsai it is.

I have seen FH bred to kkp and the offspring were considered quality FH. How can this be? The FH was not bred to a FH...just a lowly kkp, but yet the fry are considered the same grade as the FH father and priced the same?

Who has decided what is flowerhorn, bonsai FH or kirrin? And how do they tell? Is there a genetic test that determines which type they are? No? Thats what I thought, in other words if it looks like one it is one.
flowerhornx kkp is kamfa first off. bonsai flowerhorn will have the face an head of a flowerhorn killin parrots will have parrot lips and notch.;)
 
SIMKWANA OdDbALLs;4455400; said:
nice fish whatever it is!


lmfao...:D I know! thanks bro. Well, I do know its a male. I put a female convict in with it to day...and he is already doing the dance and showing off with the typical rock placements...I'll get a pic up of the female cichlid..Im hoping she will be an easy one, its all up to her.:headbang2
 
izzy_here;4454563; said:
The difference between a killin/kirrin and a bonsai/short body FH is whatever the breeder of that fish says it is. Sorry but thats it and thats that, they are hybrids, you will get every "grade" in almost every breeding. The phenotype's are not set, variations begin to occur the moment you cross out of the species. I have seen "kirrin" and "bonsai" phenotypes from every conceivable breeding, to me there is no specific pattern or method to obtaining either one. If it looks like a parrot then it is if it looks like a bonsai it is.

I have seen FH bred to kkp and the offspring were considered quality FH. How can this be? The FH was not bred to a FH...just a lowly kkp, but yet the fry are considered the same grade as the FH father and priced the same?

Who has decided what is flowerhorn, bonsai FH or kirrin? And how do they tell? Is there a genetic test that determines which type they are? No? Thats what I thought, in other words if it looks like one it is one.

Very confusing of what your trying to point here. I think you need to do a lot of research about flowerhorns to really understand everything. How does selective breeding matters, why does it cost as much by crossing it with a low KKP and so on. I'm not talking about reading stuff online, it's not going to answer everything and place what's what and why it is what it is.
By the way, breeding them has nothing to do with genetic testing of what they are or so on. We don't care what kind of result you get from genetic testing, we only care what they look like from selective breeding. That's what determine if they are a flowerhorn, bonsai, or kirin. You don't need Einstein's brain to determine what is what. So what your putting is that a flowerhorn, bonsai, and kirin all look the same? As far as who decided what is what? The hybrid community decided so...
If you put it like that, who decides that which dog is which dog? A lot of dogs out there are crossbred with one another to create something else. Still...WE THE PEOPLE, decided it. :D
 
scriving;4455473; said:
flowerhornx kkp is kamfa first off. bonsai flowerhorn will have the face an head of a flowerhorn killin parrots will have parrot lips and notch.;)

It's fair to call that a flowerhorn x KKP is a Kamfa. But from what I'm seeing and what I'm talking to local breeders that has been in this hobby since the 90's. A flowerhorn x KKP doesn't quite give you a Kamfa. There is more to that, and overseas breeders will never give out their recipe. The reason is? They need customers...giving out their recipe can mean less customer. ;)
 
BIG_ONE;4456256; said:
It's fair to call that a flowerhorn x KKP is a Kamfa. But from what I'm seeing and what I'm talking to local breeders that has been in this hobby since the 90's. A flowerhorn x KKP doesn't quite give you a Kamfa. There is more to that, and overseas breeders will never give out their recipe. The reason is? They need customers...giving out their recipe can mean less customer. ;)

from my understanding a kamfa is a fhxkkp or their is diffrent ways to make kamfa like this
vieja x FH zz = Kamfa
vieja x Parrot = Kamfa
GM x parrot = Kamfa
ZZ x parrot = kamfa
texas x zz = Kamfa
texas x parrot = Kamfa
but i agree overseas breeders have many fish put into the kamfa strain.
 
BIG_ONE;4456246; said:
Very confusing of what your trying to point here. I think you need to do a lot of research about flowerhorns to really understand everything. How does selective breeding matters, why does it cost as much by crossing it with a low KKP and so on. I'm not talking about reading stuff online, it's not going to answer everything and place what's what and why it is what it is.
By the way, breeding them has nothing to do with genetic testing of what they are or so on. We don't care what kind of result you get from genetic testing, we only care what they look like from selective breeding. That's what determine if they are a flowerhorn, bonsai, or kirin. You don't need Einstein's brain to determine what is what. So what your putting is that a flowerhorn, bonsai, and kirin all look the same? As far as who decided what is what? The hybrid community decided so...
If you put it like that, who decides that which dog is which dog? A lot of dogs out there are crossbred with one another to create something else. Still...WE THE PEOPLE, decided it. :D

well put:iagree:
 
Zfishies;4456527; said:
I WANT ONE! what are the reqirments for this bad boy? how many gallons for 2? or 4?

55 for one maybe get away with a 40 gallon breeder.
 
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