PayaraMan;4414162; said:
LOL the aquarist shop that I frequent is the same too. They have a few red snake heads in the back and even a freakin bamboo shark!
What kind of gar should I get?
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LOL the aquarist shop that I frequent is the same too. They have a few red snake heads in the back and even a freakin bamboo shark!
koltsix;4414035; said:
Yeah, shortnoses are the smallest but they are also the most spastic and nervous of the fish. Floridas in general are the best bet since they aren't nervous at all and are readily available. I believe they are the 2nd or 3rd longest species of gar,with only the longnose and the alligator surpassing them.
xander;4414076; said:
Ya, maybe you should check into it a little bit before you start running your mouth Xander. If you would check with the poster before getting all high and mighty calling me "brash" and whatever else you decided to slander me with, you would have realized that I don't care because I will either: A. Obtain a permit from the department of fish an game to keep restricted species for research, or aquaculture for importation, or B. Move to a non-communist state that allows responsible aquarists to keep what ever fish they please.
I am quite sure that a gar kept in my aquarium will not cause any detriment to native populations, for the simple fact that it will REMAIN IN MY AQUARIUM.
This state makes me sick that they will allow marijuana to be legal, but restrict fish species.
Thank you in advance for removing my point from my account due to this error in your judgement.
the people who are disregarding the state regulations on illegal species are morons with regards to their posts in this thread.
i fully back xander in his statements, and the original poster can consider themselves lumped in with the people falling under my initial statement. it's people like you that put the entire aquarium hobby in jeopardy, and thinking that you can convince people that you MIGHT be someone who falls under the protection of very limited permissions within the state further perpetuates your incompetence. if you ARE indeed someone who can legally possess these fishes within the state, you shouldn't be shy about providing evidence of said permissions.
until that sort of evidence is provided, i fully support cracking down on those who blatantly disregard the rules regulating specific fishes in various states.
gars are ILLEGAL in CA, keep any pursuits of said fish to yourself unless you are indeed as dumb as your posts indicate--
--solomon
i fully back xander in his statements, and the original poster can consider themselves lumped in with the people falling under my initial statement. it's people like you that put the entire aquarium hobby in jeopardy, and thinking that you can convince people that you MIGHT be someone who falls under the protection of very limited permissions within the state further perpetuates your incompetence. if you ARE indeed someone who can legally possess these fishes within the state, you shouldn't be shy about providing evidence of said permissions.
until that sort of evidence is provided, i fully support cracking down on those who blatantly disregard the rules regulating specific fishes in various states.
gars are ILLEGAL in CA, keep any pursuits of said fish to yourself unless you are indeed as dumb as your posts indicate--
--solomon
E_americanus;4414974; said:
Why thank you Solomon for your attempt at sounding like a 2 cent attorney. As I have stated in my previous post, and it is mind boggling to me how ignorant one individual actually can be, I stated that I like to research a species before I acquire one. With that said, my statement regarding the fact that I will either: A. Pursue obtaining a LEGAL permit to own said species, or B. move to a state that dies not restrict said species.
Thank you sir for being so quick to give your opinion, all the while being uninformed on one individuals particular situation. I will go ahead and lump you, sir, into th group of peoples that make snap judgements without first informing yourself of the situation at hand.
For everyone else that has been so helpful to me in providing their opinion without being a suedo California Department Of Fish And Game Officer.
I am well aware of californias laws regarding this topic, and I don't need people scolding me like I am a child for simply showing interest in the topic.
And yes, I do believe in following the ridiculous laws because they are in fact laws set forth to be followed. This however does not mean that I have to agree with them or stifle my opinions on them.
I believe that the makers of these laws have done so with the best interests of the local ecosystem, but not all aquarists are stupid enough to release non native, or native kept species into the local waterways.
Drugs are illegal, but that law is broken all the time. Prescription drug abuse is a major epidemic in the united states. Does this mean that we just outlaw ALL DRUGS? just because some irresponsible people can't use them in the intended manor? NO!
So, in closing, I believe laws should be followed, but if you don't agree with them, you should be allowed to make an honest effort to change them, without people calling you irresponsible for having an opinion. If the belief of MFK.com is to cower down to the laws being made, let's remove the thread to squash HR669, because that's a bill/law/petition that would hurt aquarists and hobbyists everywhere. Come on people, pull your heads out of the sand and read a little into something before you jump all over it like a DFG Regulation Superhero.
For someone who likes to research, you should know that the types of permits you are talking about getting are about 99% impossible for a hobbyist to obtain.
You can find several long-winded, detailed posts by Oddball detailing the situation in almost any section of MFK.
And you should not flame us for jumping to conclusions when your original post simply was titled "What kind of gar should I get?" and your location is CA.
You can find several long-winded, detailed posts by Oddball detailing the situation in almost any section of MFK.
And you should not flame us for jumping to conclusions when your original post simply was titled "What kind of gar should I get?" and your location is CA.
What a troll. i hope xander does the right thing here and not only deletes this thread but infracts u. its rare i actually want the mods to step in but u r being (edited to avoid infractions). PS u wil not be able to get the permit to keep the fish, im sure u know that so therefore u are asking for an illegal fish which MFK doesnt not support
oh and to the person suggesting shortnose, they are NOT for the beginner gar keeper.
oh and to the person suggesting shortnose, they are NOT for the beginner gar keeper.
ExPeNsIvE AdDiCtIoN;4412038; said:
perhaps this thread should have gone in a different direction at the very beginning...instead of us telling you the fish is illegal, we should have just told you to do your own research in the forum as it should answer your questions...instead of another basic "what kind of gar should i get" thread to add to the mix.
ExPeNsIvE AdDiCtIoN;4413844; said:
this is what makes YOU look ignorant. you claim to be somewhat respectful and understanding of the laws and their purpose in your later posts (after people got on your case), yet this is your initial response. you set yourself up.
ExPeNsIvE AdDiCtIoN;4415071; said:
you won't get a permit as a hobbyist. as stated by madding and plenty of other people throughout the forum, these permits aren't for people just wanting to keep an illegal fish in their tank. trust me, i'm familiar with the permits and their processes in most cases.
you say you'll move...i highly doubt you'll pick up and move to a different state just to keep gars...not impossible, but unlikely.
feel free to keep reading in the forum, but i'd suggest taking a break from this thread before you dig yourself into a deeper hole. good luck--
--solomon
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