What kind of shovelnose do i have?

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tsmxm imo.... beautiful hybrids.. and you have a very nice looking fish reguardless of his genetic make-up. I have a tsn.. and a tsnxrtc hybrid and yours looks similar.. but obviousely different.
 
As we touched upon in your other thread, this is a hybrid between TSN (mother species, most likely Pseudoplatystoma fasciatum) and Achara/Marble (father species, Leiarius marmoratus). Necrocanis would know the maternal/paternal species for sure because he has the production description/notes but I am rather confident.

Mommy: http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=328

Daddy: http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=245

Baby Frankenstein: http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=4430 - Chris "Aquaculture" and I put this datasheet together. Note, that I don't think anymore the TSN parent is tigrinum. I think fasciatum from what Necrocanis told me.
 
mr.bigglesworth said:
Just fyi, nobody can give you an accurate id with that pic. I dont care whether their the professor of freshwater icthyology at stanford with a phd and doctorate or any of those fancy degrees. You can have an opinion or an idea of what it looks like but that pic just wont cut it. If your looking for what the majority of mfkers are guessing as the official id thats not going to work. We need a good pic of the caudal fin and full body shot from side and front. Then we can continue. Or a top notch description might work. But until then its just vague, foggy speculation from a totally unreliable source. The source being the picture posted.
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IMHO the pic is adequate enough for ID-ing. I have no probem whatsoever seeing it is what I suggested it is. I also see subtle differences and proposed the OP gets better pics so we can possibly improve the data/care sheet for this hybrid I linked above by submitting the pics to be considered for inclusion into the Cat-eLog on PCF.

I also disagree with the generality of this statement. Scientists/highest level experts can ID fish from looking at a tiny body part, like an eye, or a caudal pendacle, etc. or just a dark silhouette. I witnessed such events.

But surely, we can agree to disagree. Afterall, it all comes down to opinions and credentials of who profess those opinions. Credentials are essential - MFK, as any in-part teaching/learning institution is not a democracy where, say, a fish ID is decided by a majority vote. If ten beginners say this is a bullhead and one expert says this is a colombian shark catfish, it is obvious what fish that is.

Admittedly, the huge problem is knowing people's credentials. Mostly it comes from frequenting the forum. And, no, I don't pretend to be one of the experts. I am out there to learn.
 
thebiggerthebetter said:
IMHO the pic is adequate enough for ID-ing. I have no probem whatsoever seeing it is what I suggested it is. I also see subtle differences and proposed the OP gets better pics so we can possibly improve the data/care sheet for this hybrid I linked above by submitting the pics to be considered for inclusion into the Cat-eLog on PCF.

I also disagree with the generality of this statement. Scientists/highest level experts can ID fish from looking at a tiny body part, like an eye, or a caudal pendacle, etc. or just a dark silhouette. I witnessed such events.

But surely, we can agree to disagree. Afterall, it all comes down to opinions and credentials of who profess those opinions. Credentials are essential - MFK, as any in-part teaching/learning institution is not a democracy where, say, a fish ID is decided by a majority vote. If ten beginners say this is a bullhead and one expert says this is a colombian shark catfish, it is obvious what fish that is.

Admittedly, the huge problem is knowing people's credentials. Mostly it comes from frequenting the forum. And, no, I don't pretend to be one of the experts. I am out there to learn.
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Well said sir.


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lol, well you all answered it so no point in beating a dead horse, but thought I would just say hi and great info in here. I'm in agreement with TBTB on his info provided and Hayc hit the nail on the head. I've owned this hybrid before so there's little debate on what it is. This one does seem to heavily favor the TSN parent in this case. :) A very unique specimen for sure. Hope you will keep it and share for many years to come.
 
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