well, that does limit things a lot since I am an advocator of Lugubris pikes...but there are still some out there they stay smaller and are still pretty pimp. Crenicichla acutirostris are GREAT pikes!! I really wanna get some but Rapps has in some bigger ones and don't really wanna get the ones Anthony has since i have a gift certificate for rapps....lol. They are pimpin pikes! They are more lateraly compressed than most pikes....thus they aren't as thick or as big...they do get up to about 14" though, but since they are so compressed its not really much of a problem. They are less aggressive of the pikes, and thier colors are outstanding!!! If you would rather keep a pike that stays below 10" or close to it...try the Saxatilis family of pikes. Crenicichla sveni is a great pike...love them......or Crenicichla lepodita.....Crenicichla alta.....just to name a few. They don't have as much contrast and color differences as Lugubris pikes though, and the juvs. basically look like the adults, but still killer awesome pikes!