What to use to seal plywood tank?

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I still believe liquid Rubber s have more advantages then epoxy!!


http://youtu.be/IY7hkCexNVY

That video is ridiculous, as far as destructive testing and tensile testing is concerned, but the end results pretty much show what epoxy is capable of. That the wood itself failed, not the epoxy.

Epoxy is only as good as the build!

Tank must be built properly in order to last

You got it backwards. Epoxy has a tensile strength of about 8500 psi, while liquid rubber's only about 750 psi. So epoxy is at least 10x stronger than liquid rubber. If epoxy is used as a bonding agent, it will make the plywood's joints stronger than the wood itself. With epoxy as a bonding agent, you could build a plywood tank without a single screw. With epoxy as a structural element, you could build a tank without using any wood. If you use epoxy just as waterproofing agent, then just be sure that you use enough of it.

Probably the biggest mistake is using the minimum recommended thickness or minimum number of recommended coats. For some reason, some people think the minimum should be the goal. The minimum has very little margin for error or safety build in. I've seen the same % of failures with liquid rubber for that reason. Many people don't know what thickness the product should be or how many coats they need for waterproofing an aquarium. Many people don't know how to calculate how thick each coats is. Many people don't know how to calculate/measure/weight how much product they'll need for each coat. They usually guess and go at it blind. It's really an engineering question that can be fixed with some mathematical skills, a scale, and an excel spreadsheet. With my spreadsheet, I've got my mixing calculations down to 0.1 grams in accuracy.
 
Epoxy chips and cracks, this is why I choose the rubber product. I would love to see a 6x4 tank built with 1/4 inch ply, just ply with 6 coats of epoxy hold!

I don't have it backwards, you do!

When I build my plywood tank it will be able to hold the pressure of the water just in its self. The main purpose of the coating is there to just separate the water from the wood, that's all. If you go buy that you will not fail, weather epoxy or rubber.
 
Epoxy chips and cracks, this is why I choose the rubber product. I would love to see a 6x4 tank built with 1/4 inch ply, just ply with 6 coats of epoxy hold!

I don't have it backwards, you do!

When I build my plywood tank it will be able to hold the pressure of the water just in its self. The main purpose of the coating is there to just separate the water from the wood, that's all. If you go buy that you will not fail, weather epoxy or rubber.

If you hit about anything with sharp object, it will fail. If someone is stupid enough to use only 2 coats of epoxy, then that tank deserves to fail. Under the correct construction, such as filleting the corners and using fiberglass, using at least 30 mils of thickness, then epoxy won't chip or crack on it's own. You need to make a structural error or a mistake for that to happen. Some experience with building tanks would go along ways here. Don't understand why you are attacking epoxy and making all these false claims to justify your own opinion. Liquid rubber isn't the idiot proof product that you are making it out to be either. Liquid rubber has limitations just the same as epoxy. It will fail and leak, if it gets punctured. It will crack around 90 degree bends. It can peel off or de-laminate also.
 
Personally, I think the best way to seal a plywood tank is to line them with some type of hard HDPE or FRP sheeting, then tape or fillet the corner seams, then use a fish safe water proofing agent over that. That way the plywood has excellent protection from accidental dents, scuffs, and punctures. Last thing to mention, a few years back, I remember one person at MFK saying that his pleco has almost eaten his way through his tank lined with liquid rubber....
http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?373328-ATTN-Zavlar-Permadri-users
 
Sorry if I came across negative towards epoxy I didnt mean to. I agree with you that mil thickness is an very important factor with epoxy. One thing I think is a plus for epoxy is the longevity. I have never been a fan of enviromently safe coatings as they will not perform as well as good old solvent based coatings. Liquid rubber is water based. I will most like choose epoxy for my large build but I am going to try a smaller ply with the rubber and also do some small tests to see what adheres to it.
 
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