ill think about it, im apart of tooo many forums and i hate signingup if i dont think im going to visit them enough
what type of turtles are these?
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There's nothing in the first image to say it's an Eastern and not a Midland. We'd need to see the carapace for a proper identification, with the plastron and side of the head being good areas to find secondary ID characteristics. If we were sure it were a wild turtle, it would have to be Eastern as they're the only subspecies native to your area, however the poor condition of it's carapace indicates that it's been a captive for awhile, which means it could very well be the non-native Midland.
The second is indeed a False Map and not a Mississippi.
I highly, highly recommend TurtleForum.com for any questions you have. It's a smorgasbord of information with many experts in the field.
Josh
Edit: Seeing the shot in your other thread, the painted is definitely an eastern. You can tell by the carapace: the vertebral and pleural scutes line up laterally, rather than being staggered as in the other three subspecies. It also possesses the double spots on the side of the head, which is a dominant trait in Easterns. Did you get a positive ID on the second map? Without experience, it's very easy to confuse two different species, and many from the trade are mutts.
The second is indeed a False Map and not a Mississippi.
I highly, highly recommend TurtleForum.com for any questions you have. It's a smorgasbord of information with many experts in the field.
Josh
Edit: Seeing the shot in your other thread, the painted is definitely an eastern. You can tell by the carapace: the vertebral and pleural scutes line up laterally, rather than being staggered as in the other three subspecies. It also possesses the double spots on the side of the head, which is a dominant trait in Easterns. Did you get a positive ID on the second map? Without experience, it's very easy to confuse two different species, and many from the trade are mutts.
thank you, no i did not, but i will be on the turtle forum. cant wait to learn what all those parts of the turtle are lol
coura;4750984; said:Good job there friend, I wish there were more people like you
The second turtle is a false map turtle Graptemys pseudogeographica sp. Both are very easily kept species you will find very enjoyable to have. If you want care tips go to wwww.austinturtlepage.com and go to the care sheets. They have a very complete care sheet for sliders, the needs are very similar so you can use that one as model.
Crap. I knew i was gonna be wrong on that map. Took an educated guess and was wrong again.
Thats one of the reasons i dont like maps. The only map i ever liked are common maps because i grew up catching them.Creek_stomper;4757680; said:
Yeah i saw the other picture first. Thats how i knew it was an eastern. Are there a lot of hybrid maps? I didnt know that. Maybe thats why i gave up trying to figure out the kinds i was seeing at reptile shows. They sometimes seem to have telltale traits of more than one species.
Joe M;4758064; said:
Yeah, I'd say we run into quite a few on other forums. It's because of the aforementioned problem... a lot of less knowledgeable and less reputable turtle breeding companies just throw Commons, Ouachitas, Falsies, and Mississippis together, not bothering to really learn the differences because none of them are worth enough to keep pure-bred like pearl rivers or yellow blotched. So they end up farming out a ton of mixed-species maps.
Josh
Hybrids and intergrades are comon in nature to begin with and even more now with human beings breeding them in large numbers by the previously stated reasons.Joe M;4758064; said:Crap. I knew i was gonna be wrong on that map. Took an educated guess and was wrong again.
Nope you were 2/3 rigth
Yeah i saw the other picture first. Thats how i knew it was an eastern. Are there a lot of hybrid maps? I didnt know that. Maybe thats why i gave up trying to figure out the kinds i was seeing at reptile shows. They sometimes seem to have telltale traits of more than one species.
