It is a dwarfism trait but im just saying it can be. I have seen it but it depends on what kind of bonsai you are talking about and who breeds them
What + what = which flowerhorn
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sorry lol i didn't mean that to sound mean. I was just saying is that the diversity of genetics totally suprised me when i started breeding variatus. I've crossed two marigold variatus and gotten grey mickey mouse platies out of the fry
Well Petsmarts fish are coming from Segrest. I don't think Segrest is breeding the fish, I think they have a supplier selling them to them. They send them whatever and Segrest sells them to Petsmart as Flowerhorn. As far as the RT Kamfa go, all the fish are the same strain and from the same parents or group of parents.
Like those SB Texas that Izzy had were parrot crosses, you could see it in them. I have seen straight up SB Texas that were true Bonsai.
do u mean what species do breeds come from? thats a different question
For example... Red Dragon is mostly trimac & lyonsi, crossed with redhead synspilum midas and texas at least.
of course red dragons came from fish that were origionally created from
-blood parrots/king kong parrots/kinds of mammon and ingot like fish
the red breeds of vieja (which are probably some combination of synspilum fenestratum and hartwegi's red and pink forms. The rose queen is another example of this)
and red breeds of midas x red devil that were developed for specific traits like pearling in the fins and the monkey face and head traits that now make up the shape of most flowerhorn.
These were crossed with different formations of synspilum, trimaculatus and lyonsi at least to get the origional flowerhorns. You can find more about this on the internet but they look to be combinations of only this fish.
Later the flowerhorns were developed into the zen zhou strain. The gene pool was of course widened by crossing them back to the parent species, this made it so that you could now breed your friend's flowerhorns to yours and they would make 100% flowerhorn like babies. It is this point at which they become breeds.
I believe that probably fish shows contributed to the fact that different kinds of flowerhorn started becoming judged by standard carachteristics, for example kok and red.. which could have resulted in the red dragon.
Correct me if i am wrong if you know this... but i do not believe there is any one person that can be credibly cited as having "created" the red dragon.
For example... Red Dragon is mostly trimac & lyonsi, crossed with redhead synspilum midas and texas at least.
of course red dragons came from fish that were origionally created from
-blood parrots/king kong parrots/kinds of mammon and ingot like fish
the red breeds of vieja (which are probably some combination of synspilum fenestratum and hartwegi's red and pink forms. The rose queen is another example of this)
and red breeds of midas x red devil that were developed for specific traits like pearling in the fins and the monkey face and head traits that now make up the shape of most flowerhorn.
These were crossed with different formations of synspilum, trimaculatus and lyonsi at least to get the origional flowerhorns. You can find more about this on the internet but they look to be combinations of only this fish.
Later the flowerhorns were developed into the zen zhou strain. The gene pool was of course widened by crossing them back to the parent species, this made it so that you could now breed your friend's flowerhorns to yours and they would make 100% flowerhorn like babies. It is this point at which they become breeds.
I believe that probably fish shows contributed to the fact that different kinds of flowerhorn started becoming judged by standard carachteristics, for example kok and red.. which could have resulted in the red dragon.
Correct me if i am wrong if you know this... but i do not believe there is any one person that can be credibly cited as having "created" the red dragon.
Yeah exactly. I think they are crossing red monkey with titanium and texas with red dragon
(this is in response to the petsmart post)
(this is in response to the petsmart post)
Yes that is what I was trying to ask haha thank you
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Right on. Flowerhorns are really their own thing now though,... most flowerhorn strains now are created out of other flowerhorn strains or other species, usually texas or veija species.
Yeah the texas is very apparent in this one I picked up
The reason I started this thread is because I am gettin a female king kamfa and want to try my luck at breeding but not sure shock kind of male to go with to create the best looking fry. So my what+what= came from that. It's crazy the years and different fish that create the make up of a prize worthy flowerhorn, it's not only a hybrid but it's a true dedication to creat them. I find it amazing and am simply trying to understand the make ups of different kinda of flowerhorns, as stated the red dragons are trimac and veija and many more, my low grade red dragon very clearly displays both of those fish genes so would a higher quality one be a trimac+veija+ many more? When creating these amazing fish what is it breed with to give it that monster KOK. Most anyone can take 2 high quality flowerhorns with Very nice genes and create more, I am just trying to better understand the creation of them.
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