What worm do my fish have

[Fishguy679]

We'll all my fish are eating well and doing better(except my jack Dempsey) with Epsom salt soaked food(the metro didn't come yet and when it does I'm gona do metro and Epsom soaked food). Anyway the jack Dempsey won't eat should I put it in a hospital tank and treat it with API general cure (not soaked food beacause he won't eat). He's the only fish not doing better and having problems so I don't want to treat my whole tank.

 

[Fishguy679]

My jack Dempsey is acting really lathergic and won't eat anymore, my green terror who also had white feces is fine and eats everything.

 

[Fishguy679]

And my green terrors feces are not white/clear anymore with one day of Epsom salt feeding which surprised me beacause I didn't have much faith in the method. He used to literally poop almost exclusively this clear stuff.

 

[Coryloach]

thanks.

Can you show me that Metro is ineffective after that amount of time? Something concrete that I can read would be helpful since I have been re-using the water in the soaking dish and reusing the Epsom Salts already in it. I was still adding Metroplex daily but sometimes I would add enough pellets for a 2 days or so. ...... if that's the case, letting them soak overnight would leave the medication in it useless

I can't remember where I read my info initially some years back and I couldn't find a solid paper on the topic today...My guess is the 8hrs time frame comes from human treatment with metro...e.g. stability of metro in a living organism....

"The average elimination half-life of metronidazole in healthy subjects is eight hours. "(source: https://www.drugs.com/pro/flagyl.html)

So in terms of re-using your metro water for the pellets, you may probably be fine but the suggestion is to deliver the metro to the organism in question every 8hrs to maintain the 'in vivo' dose.....

If you search by metonidazole and 8hrs you'll find many hits on this 8hrs half life being applied to aquatics, whether correctly or not...as metro is more effective taken internally via food but....here are some examples:



http://www.fishyportal.com/cgi-bin/pub/diag?c=v&id=22

Metronidazole can also prove effective at the dose of 250 mg per 40L of water, with water change carried out 6 times every 8 hours.

http://www.inaquarium.com/aquarium/spironucleus

Metronidazole
This drug is in the tablets form. So we should crush and dissolve their in a small portion of warm water before their using. The dosage this medicine depends on a stage of the disease:

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  • the initial stage of the disease: we do about 30% water change and to increase water temperature up to 30°C before using the drug. Then we dose 250 mg the medicament per every 40 l (10 gallons) of the water in the aquarium. Next we do 25% water change after 8 hours and we repeat the dose of metronidazole (250 mg per every 10 gallons water). This cycle we repeat for 3 days,
  • the advance stage or relapse of the disease: we do about 30% water change and to increase water temperature up to 30°C before using the drug. Then we dose 450 mg the medicament per every 40 l (10 gallons) of the water in the aquarium. Next we do 25% water change after 8 hours and we repeat the dose of metronidazole (450 mg per every 10 gallons water). This cycle we repeat for 3 days. We also give the drug with a food at the dose of 1 g per every 100 g food 3 times per day for several days. We feed fish small portions of food that after meal shouldn't remain in the water or on the bottom. We should also give the fish vitamins and microelements.

Some forum hits:

http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aquariumforum/showthread.php?t=114316

Metro can be costly in water since it has a half life of 6-7 hours, so we'll say 8.

http://forum.simplydiscus.com/showthread.php?44576-How-long-to-treat-with-Metro

Metro only stays active for about 8 hours. Redosing 2-3 times per day is more effective than just once.

http://www.myaquariumclub.com/fish-diseases-sick-fishy-33.html

Metronidazole Treatment:
Effective treatment for Internal Flagellates or hexamita. Common symptoms: spitting out food, white stringy feces, fish acting nervous & facing towards back of the tank & hiding. Not eating a very common sign of flaggy. Treatment: 300 Mgs per 10 gallons of water. Heat up to 88 degrees. You may add Epsom salts 1 teaspoon per 20 gallons with addition of 25 to 50% water changes before each dose. This dose may be repeated 2x daily morning and night. Metronidazole will lose its effectiveness within 8 hours.

 

[Pomatomus]

if you put the meds in a small amount of water and soak the food in the medicated/Epsom salt-saturated water wouldn't the medication just get soaked into the pellets? I'm finding your post a little confusing here....

Sorry for the confusion. Yes you are correct, I was responding to the question of whether you should let the food "dry out". I was stating that wet pellets that are allowed to get too wet can start to mush together. Then I talked about drying methods, which probably aren't feasible.