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what is the footprint of your 900g? Also how thick is the glass? How much current? is there a Cover or Lid on the tank? What kind of filtration do you have? How are you heating the tank? How often do you do Waterchanges? Are you willing to completely overhaul the setup to gear for these fish?
There are many factors that go into owning these fish, As for proper care to get to the 2+ feet your interested in, they require the tank setup to their specific requirements.
I'm just curious as most people who seek after these fish rarely have the means to properly care for them but if you truly can answer my questions and really overindulge care for these fish as needed, I can give you whatever tips I can.
 
Payarakeeper said:
what is the footprint of your 900g? Also how thick is the glass? How much current? is there a Cover or Lid on the tank? What kind of filtration do you have? How are you heating the tank? How often do you do Waterchanges? Are you willing to completely overhaul the setup to gear for these fish?
There are many factors that go into owning these fish, As for proper care to get to the 2+ feet your interested in, they require the tank setup to their specific requirements.
I'm just curious as most people who seek after these fish rarely have the means to properly care for them but if you truly can answer my questions and really overindulge care for these fish as needed, I can give you whatever tips I can.
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Ok it is 8x5x3 tank
glass is about .3/4" thick (is that too thin?)
So far no current but plan on geting some powerheads later on
there is a weighted down glass cover about 0.5" thick
Fluval Fx5 filters I have like 6 in there (may upgrade to other filters and am getting a large canister)
1x 25% water changes a week
every 4 weeks I clean filters
 
Ninjakiller08 said:
Ok it is 8x5x3 tank
glass is about .3/4" thick (is that too thin?)
So far no current but plan on geting some powerheads later on
there is a weighted down glass cover about 0.5" thick
Fluval Fx5 filters I have like 6 in there (may upgrade to other filters and am getting a large canister)
1x 25% water changes a week
every 4 weeks I clean filters
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I think you are full of ****, stop wasting our time.


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Well sounds like a near perfect home for either of these fish if thats really your tank.. Your going to need alot of powerheads to produce mass current for a footprint that size. What is your current stock list? You may have to rethink stocklist or a long waiting grow out tank as obtaining large versions of these fish is nearly impossible in Canada. GATF grow extremely slowly for something that can obtain 5 feet in the wild. Approx 1/2 inch per month. Armatus on the other hand grow rather quickly at approx. 1-2 inches per month with growth spurts. Adult Gatf require between 7,500-10,000+ GPH of current as their natural habitat of the Congo River (Fastest White Water River in the world) moves approximately 1,500,000 cubic feet of Water per second so don't know exactly how that would transfer into home aquaria but yeah these guys aren't exactly made for home. Armatus on the other hand are naturally a Lake or fairly quick River fish thus requiring less current from the amount of 2,000-4,500GPH on average. In my experience with the two, Gatf tend to be less hardy when juvenile versus armatus but then obtaining more aggression and confidence as they grow older and larger, almost as if they know they come possess the weapons they have, But in the end both are fairly hardy fish. Not alot of Flourishing's are required and actually often get in the way of the fast moving Tiger fish, where as the Armatus seem to enjoy having a bit of greens to hide behind. If your looking for the experts, I suggest messaging Chicxulub as Rob seems to know ATF in and out. As for Armatus care there is a few other guys like Krichardson whom kept some incredible specimen. These fish are no joke and should NOT be kept by new aquarists, Often this will end up in a very expensive corpse and waste of a great creature. Do your research and make sure your ready for one of these guys before you take the next step of purchasing..
 
Payarakeeper said:
Well sounds like a near perfect home for either of these fish if thats really your tank.. Your going to need alot of powerheads to produce mass current for a footprint that size. What is your current stock list? You may have to rethink stocklist or a long waiting grow out tank as obtaining large versions of these fish is nearly impossible in Canada. GATF grow extremely slowly for something that can obtain 5 feet in the wild. Approx 1/2 inch per month. Armatus on the other hand grow rather quickly at approx. 1-2 inches per month with growth spurts. Adult Gatf require between 7,500-10,000+ GPH of current as their natural habitat of the Congo River (Fastest White Water River in the world) moves approximately 1,500,000 cubic feet of Water per second so don't know exactly how that would transfer into home aquaria but yeah these guys aren't exactly made for home. Armatus on the other hand are naturally a Lake or fairly quick River fish thus requiring less current from the amount of 2,000-4,500GPH on average. In my experience with the two, Gatf tend to be less hardy when juvenile versus armatus but then obtaining more aggression and confidence as they grow older and larger, almost as if they know they come possess the weapons they have, But in the end both are fairly hardy fish. Not alot of Flourishing's are required and actually often get in the way of the fast moving Tiger fish, where as the Armatus seem to enjoy having a bit of greens to hide behind. If your looking for the experts, I suggest messaging Chicxulub as Rob seems to know ATF in and out. As for Armatus care there is a few other guys like Krichardson whom kept some incredible specimen. These fish are no joke and should NOT be kept by new aquarists, Often this will end up in a very expensive corpse and waste of a great creature. Do your research and make sure your ready for one of these guys before you take the next step of purchasing..
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Ok thanks for the answer I will do some more research.
 
If you really have those tanks, get the fish you prefer and grow it out. Both species are keystone species about which a tank should revolve. They both get large and very powerful. A large specimen of either species is quite capable of killing anything you may place with it.

I am however very dubious of the legitimacy of your claims. You have "like" six filters on your tank, which reads to me as you don't even know the number of filters on the tank. You've also said you can't get a picture of these monstrous tanks. Are you really the only person in the US/Canada without a cell phone?
 
Not to derail here but you seem to be new to fish keeping Kevin, I would recommend starting small and trying this out until your ready to take on a big gunner like a ATF or anything of that caliber. Why don't you do some research on Hydrolycus Scomberoides the common payara or at the most Hydrolycus Tatauaia (Red Tail Payara) The smaller members of the Payara genus. Easily available versus their larger brother aswell as a price tag to match. Tats are just as impressive to see as Armatus and can also pack together to form shoals similar to piranha while Armatus cannot. Not trying to put you down here but we MFK'ers love our fish, and love to see when someone takes care of their own. You wouldn't get the skepticism of other aquarists if you had proof that your an capable keeper. Also knowing your new is that you didn't know if your glass thickness was thick enough to hold water or how many filters you have.. considering Fx5's go for about $300+ each and you have about 6 on a 900g...? Just doesn't line up.
 
Ninjakiller08 said:
I want a hardy, strong, aggressive fish that can get large and live long but can't decide either Armatus or GATF
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If this is really what you want then Aimara is the best choice......

Use a buddy, girlfriend, or family members phone and post up some pics for us. :)

PS - Nobody is their right mind is going build a tank like that with 3/4". 2.5' tall is pushing it for 3/4".

I think you're going to be really hard pressed getting decent info from this crowd without some pics of the tank you're telling us about.....
 
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