What would you do if rays became illegal where you live

[T1KARMANN]

But his idea was to farm them and it wasn't determined whether it was definitely for the Asian food market or for pet trade although it was most likely. But my point is that banning something isn't what leads to most releasing fish, the person I was responding to's point was that contempt of the law and illegality to sell makes more people release fish. Imagine the breeding trade, imagine if someone wants to profit and throw a bunch of rays in an outside pond and some get out? Legality& desirability leads to people wanting to profit, and all it takes is a bad decision, and banning does deter people releasing them in the end result I believe.


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This is a good point but if you was told your rays would be killed in 2 days and you had no place to take them wouldn't you realise them as I feel a lot of people would no matter what impact it has

I'm not saying people should set big preds free but it is a option


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[zapantha]

This is a good point but if you was told your rays would be killed in 2 days and you had no place to take them wouldn't you realise them as I feel a lot of people would no matter what impact it has

I'm not saying people should set big preds free but it is a option


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If I had rays and they were coming in 2 days I would send them to db junkie or unstoppablejay lol


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[badassissimo]

I've always wanted a school of phiranas or a snakehead. I live in Louisiana so neither flies. I'd hide them.

 

[T1KARMANN]

If I had rays and they were coming in 2 days I would send them to db junkie or unstoppablejay lol


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So are you saying you don't have rays

If you don't it's probably hard for people to explain to you how much of a bond us long term ray keepers have with our animals

It's all very well you saying you will send them to this guy or that guy but if the truth be told people saying they will take your fish and them actually taking them is a totally different ball game

You are probably basing this on 1 or 2 small 12" rays once the ray size goes up to 20" disk the amount of people that can even home a ray that size is much much small


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[tampa_bass]

The peacock bass thing in FL always confused me. I can walk to the canal/ditch next to my place and see them, plecos, oscars and various central/SA cichlids (and an alligator and sometimes manatees). No native fish at all.

Agreed


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[zapantha]

So are you saying you don't have rays

If you don't it's probably hard for people to explain to you how much of a bond us long term ray keepers have with our animals

It's all very well you saying you will send them to this guy or that guy but if the truth be told people saying they will take your fish and them actually taking them is a totally different ball game

You are probably basing this on 1 or 2 small 12" rays once the ray size goes up to 20" disk the amount of people that can even home a ray that size is much much small


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Making a joke bro, but I feel that this discussion of bond could go for any fish, especially of significant value. I know that feel. I get your point but I don't think I could justify releasing over euthanasia as someone with a bond with their fish, for me releasing wouldn't even cross my mind, I liken fish to like a dog pet, sometimes they get put down but a dog owner wouldn't throw their dogs in the woods.


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[Zoodiver]

This is a good point but if you was told your rays would be killed in 2 days and you had no place to take them wouldn't you realise them as I feel a lot of people would no matter what impact it has

I'm not saying people should set big preds free but it is a option

They will always give you enough time to deal with them...not just two days.
Also, releasing them is illegal in the US. So now you not only violate TWO laws, you are damaging the environment.

Also, looking at the pole in this thread, I think it's narrow. The biggest option that people are offered in cases like this isn't on the list : Legal relocation of the animals as per the new law.

 

[T1KARMANN]

They will always give you enough time to deal with them...not just two days.
Also, releasing them is illegal in the US. So now you not only violate TWO laws, you are damaging the environment.

Also, looking at the pole in this thread, I think it's narrow. The biggest option that people are offered in cases like this isn't on the list : Legal relocation of the animals as per the new law.

You see my point even if you was given 2 months it would be house and move 20 x 20" rays
Not many people can house a ray that size

It it was a national ban not just a state one where would they all go



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[DIDYSIS]

I chose to spend my day not worrying about the millions of hypothetical possibilities that could happen. Life at any degree like that would be very rough.
I know it's TV but Dr. House's idea or teaching is good to think about in every situation. What is done is done, what are we going to do now is what is important, moving forward not looking back.

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[dogofwar]

Seriously. Are people really arguing about the possible details of a hypothetical law?

In my experience, policymakers create laws in reaction to failures in the market (or in the case fish and animals, hobbyists).

The more that we hobbyists police ourselves and demonstrate that we're responsible, law-abiding and otherwise positive for society, the less that policymakers will feel obligated to make laws that will, inevitably, be imperfect.

Matt

I chose to spend my day not worrying about the millions of hypothetical possibilities that could happen. Life at any degree like that would be very rough.
I know it's TV but Dr. House's idea or teaching is good to think about in every situation. What is done is done, what are we going to do now is what is important, moving forward not looking back.

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