What would you do?

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What would you do?

  • Inbreed the ray!

    Votes: 27 57.4%
  • Keep them seperated!

    Votes: 20 42.6%

  • Total voters
    47
i kno wthat in alot of show animals they do infact breed back to get superior traits........i do not agree with it. i hope that if it does infact happen in the captive stingray community that the breeder will disclose such info. i wont buy if that is the case.


playing GOD will have consequences. they might be good for a while, but when they go South...............
 
Moot point for most of us mere ray keepers. I don't really feel that it would be right to inbreed . I bet that in the wild it probably happens naturally more then we think.
 
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not going to lie here. and it may banish me from the ray community here, but id take a leo over that pup. IMHO, dont really like the albino breeds. except that one in csx's avatar.
 
For a strain to become fixed the animals must be line bred etc...

If you think this is unethical than you are mistaken because this is how all traits are set when you are breeding animals

Ps for Nic you cant breed the albino pearl to the albino leopoldi and expect albino pups. You would end up with normal looking hybrids that are heterzygous for pearl albino and leo albino. You would have to breed the hybrids to one another or back to the albino parent.
 
Being a biology student and ardent Neodarwinist, I feel obliged to share a bit of knowledge about the problem of inbreeding (or its close cousin, linebreeding). The reason inbreeding is problematic is not that it distorts genetics, or poisons a gene pool or anything. It does nothing of the sort. The problem lies in the fact that everyone (you, I, and yes even your stingrays) carries a few very rare but dangerous recessive genes.

These genes are, by definition, rare in the gene pool. If they were to become more common, they would be weeded out by natural selection (as they would pair up, as per Gregor Mendel's discoveries, as an expressed recessive-recessive combination). So these rare genes almost never come into play, and are harmless when held in-check by a dominant and more beneficial allele.

With a rudimentary knowledge of Mendelian genetics, it is easy to see why inbred specimens exhibit genetic "defects". The gene pool remains pure, but sometimes these recessive genes are expressed. This could produce anything from a stillbirth (as even Homo sapiens, on average, carries on average 2 absolutely lethal genes per individual) to strange variations in appearance, physiology and behavior.

The change could be something as benign as albinism to something as serious as not possessing gills or skin.

The gene pool is perfectly fine, and in fact if the F1 specimen is fertile, its offspring will be absolutely unaffected by the inbreeding (given that the mate doesn't also posses the rare recessive trait, but this is unlikely yet possible with any sexual reproduction).

The key question is, I believe, an ethical one. Is the desire for a new, exciting trait worth the possible suffering of the offspring in question? Many types of domestic animals (livestock such as pigs and cows, as well as pets such as dogs and cats) have been produced by the application of this technique. Without the deliberate application of inbreeding/linebreeding, the traits may never manifest. At the same time, you may cause the unnecessary suffering of the offspring that you are trying to produce.

I hope this clears the water up a bit on the subject. :)
 
I would fallow all the current vendor/breeders here and INBREED... Not much difference at the top compared to Hybrid is there... Other than inbreed is the same species..

Then you can grabe a couple albs.. And cross to unrelated to attempt "cleanliness" :D
 
Albinism is an inherited disorder, a health defect. There are so many potential negative health issues associated with albinism. Who knows what other traits go along with it in rays? Keep breeding the weak and it won;t be too long before all captive rays are totally compromised.
 
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