What's fair pricing for hybrids?

[lincolngoh]

It depends on what they are mixed with. PDR, Henlei, Motoro etc. I price my SP pups from the same batch very differently. The cheapest maybe only 30% the price of the nicest. Based on my judgement on how they will turn out.

Expect to pay more if you get first choice.

 

[calgaryflames]

hybrids are worth money if they are henlei ,leopoldi and or blackdiamond mixed and they have lots of spots.Motoro pearl hybrids are probably worth the same as regular motoros

 

[Gshock]

hybrids are worth money if they are henlei ,leopoldi and or blackdiamond mixed and they have lots of spots.Motoro pearl hybrids are probably worth the same as regular motoros

You have no clue what you're saying...Just becuase black rays have a higher price tag to begin with does not make their hybrids superior over others. A motoroxpearl is definitely NOT going to be worth the same as a regular motoro...If we take it from a genetic point of view, even if the motoroxpearl shows only a small trace of pearl, with a F2 generation, the homozygous genotype could possibly form show up again looking even better than the original pearl parent...Your statement is basically saying Frank's white leo is worth more than the offspring that came out black since they look like normal leos. It's the black ones that are worth more as they contain the white genes to spread...

 

[skynoch]

Hopefully most people buying a young ray know that their patterns change as they get bigger and realize that it is a risk (if you want to call it that)that goes along w/ buying a young ray.

I'm hoping this also. I've been trying to find all the adult pics of this hybrid I can find to send to the people that want to buy them. I'm finding more and more as I go into the asian and european websites and finding a wide spectrum from a really unique and nice pattern to a nice looking motoro.

i always say "price to sell"
i would rather make the buyer extra happy he bought from u!!

I've only seen these listed twice and I've either done trades or sold based on 1/2 to 3/4 of the lowest price I've seen. So hopefully this is will make the buyer happy.

As a buyer, I wouldn't mind paying more for a unique design. Like others have stated though, it depends on what people would pay for it. These so called designer dogs (i.e. cockapoos) cost a pretty penny because people will pay a pretty penny...when they are essentially muts!

But if the hybrids looked like regular motoros, I wouldn't pay more for them. I'd just buy a regular motoro if I wanted it. On the other hand, my mantilla/marbled's pattern is unique so if I were to sell it, I'd charge based on its unique design...which would likely be more than some other more common type of pattern. Just my two cents.

I myself also like the unique designs of the hybrids. The only problem selling as a pup is the pattern is along way off what it will become and I haven't seen alot of pics of hybrids from pups to adults to help me determine what will be nice. The other thing is if you want these for breeding the motoro looking one may produce the nicest pups.

If you really want to be entertained then list them as a "make offer" sale.

lol, I've allready had a few laughs and it's not even listed as make me an offer.

Remember when one of the vendors was only having luck breeding hybrids, people paid big money then they tried to resell them. Nobody bought them. Nobody like the fowerhorn rays.

I can't remember anything about this?

It depends on what they are mixed with. PDR, Henlei, Motoro etc. I price my SP pups from the same batch very differently. The cheapest maybe only 30% the price of the nicest. Based on my judgement on how they will turn out.

Expect to pay more if you get first choice.

I kinda like that idea of paying more for a first pic and then less for second,third,...ect.
Have you ever had people come back mad at you for paying more for a ray that didn't turn out as expected?

hybrids are worth money if they are henlei ,leopoldi and or blackdiamond mixed and they have lots of spots.Motoro pearl hybrids are probably worth the same as regular motoros

I think you may be misinformed on what your hybrids will look like. Not all black ray crosses look good and to me the introduction of a pearl,mantilla or marble will really add some amazing patterns. Start looking at the asian and european websites at thier hybrids and you will see some very beautiful hybrids that don't have any black ray in them at all.
As for the price of the motoro/pearls I do believe it's up to the buyer to set in his mind what he thinks the ray is worth, be it less or more than a motoro.

You have no clue what you're saying...Just becuase black rays have a higher price tag to begin with does not make their hybrids superior over others. A motoroxpearl is definitely NOT going to be worth the same as a regular motoro...If we take it from a genetic point of view, even if the motoroxpearl shows only a small trace of pearl, with a F2 generation, the homozygous genotype could possibly form show up again looking even better than the original pearl parent...Your statement is basically saying Frank's white leo is worth more than the offspring that came out black since they look like normal leos. It's the black ones that are worth more as they contain the white genes to spread...

Very good points. I like the way you explained it with Frank's white leo.

Thanks for all the input and help

 

[armac]

Look at the old buy/sell threads you will see hybrids being out there for big bucks after the original buyer got tired of them, then they could not sell them for even a fraction of their original cost.

Do some research, you been here awhile, you were here when it was happening.

Vendor could not get leos to breed, so he was mixing in pearls and they were breeding, giving him hybrids to sell. Everybody jumped on them, themn when the fad ran out, so did the value.

 

[lincolngoh]

I kinda like that idea of paying more for a first pic and then less for second,third,...ect.
Have you ever had people come back mad at you for paying more for a ray that didn't turn out as expected?

So far not to my face. I always ask them to buy the cheapest. Beginners will go for those. The experience hobbyist tend to pick from the more expensive ones. I always tell them to pick the cheaper one to save money, if they can't tell the difference.

I benefit from being a home breeder and can show them the exact parents, so with the parents and prices right in front of them. It's entirely their choice.

I'm not the best at grading them, but those I grade higher almost always sell faster than the cheaper ones although they are 3 times the price.

And it is the black ray and pearl rays SP which are in the most demand internationally.

 

[skynoch]

Look at the old buy/sell threads you will see hybrids being out there for big bucks after the original buyer got tired of them, then they could not sell them for even a fraction of their original cost.

Do some research, you been here awhile, you were here when it was happening.

Vendor could not get leos to breed, so he was mixing in pearls and they were breeding, giving him hybrids to sell. Everybody jumped on them, themn when the fad ran out, so did the value.

Never really followed the buy and sell on here so didn't notice the pricing going on. But will look back at some of the old threads.
I really think our rays keep going through different stages of fads. It seems one breed is very popular then it's on to another and our pricing seems to follow. Best maybe to hold onto a ray that hasn't been "The one" and wait to the fad hits it and sells.
I'm also expecting a big increase in people wanting hybrids. After going through what seems like hundreds of pictures I've seen some hybrid rays that left me speechless. We don't really see alot of pictures of hybrids on here so I'm not sure if alot of people are aware of some of these amazing rays. Don't get me wrong I still like my pure rays and only have 1 hybrid out of my 19.

 

[lincolngoh]

Look at the old buy/sell threads you will see hybrids being out there for big bucks after the original buyer got tired of them, then they could not sell them for even a fraction of their original cost.

Do some research, you been here awhile, you were here when it was happening.

Vendor could not get leos to breed, so he was mixing in pearls and they were breeding, giving him hybrids to sell. Everybody jumped on them, themn when the fad ran out, so did the value.

Rays are high bioload fishes and most tanks can accommodate only a few. As with all hybrids their genes are unstable. Given how much they morph, they could end up much better or much worst. If a ray's development disappoints the hobbyist, it's quite natural for the hobbyist to want to sell it. Those that turn out nicer than expected, are kept, more often than not.

If you pay attention, you will notice the price of rays have dropped across the board.

An SP is a gamble. Buyers must realize that. Sure, you could end up with a lemon, but you could end up with a unique ray which only you have too. Some people want to buy a standard ring of gold for $1000. Others don't mind paying the same amount to picking randomly from boxes containing wooden, silver, gold, platinum and diamond rings.

As with all form of gambling, only the losers grumble.

 

[skynoch]

Thanks for the info lincolngoh. Hopefully I can get some pups that are half as nice as your pearl/leo.

 

[lincolngoh]

Thanks for the info lincolngoh. Hopefully I can get some pups that are half as nice as your pearl/leo.

Another tip, esp with pearl rays, there have been sellers who have regret their sale as Pearls may take awhile to morph.

Depending on their bloodline and mix, pattern rays have 3 stages of great difference, one at 6-7 inches after they stabilize, another at puberty around 12 inches and lastly at 16 inches (after giving birth) when how their pattern & base color is going to develop is pretty much set.