whats the highest temperature piranhas can tolerate?

[Diogenes]

thanks for the info Coop. I already set all the tank heater to 88°F and plan to keep it there for 2 weeks to ensure all the every single ich is killed.
When you said that the only time one it can be killed is during the tomite stage, that doesn't limit it to heat correct? I believe that is limited to medicine only but could be wrong.

I could be mistaken, but I was under the impression that when you heat them up they accelerate their life cycle. When they re-emerge from their dormant stage and begin swimming through the H2O column in search of a host that's when they are the most susceptible to heat or medications. If I'm not mistaken. That's why it's best to keep the heat up until the whole life cycle has been completed.

 

[jp80911]

I use Mardel Cletted Cooper but that's just me. I would recommend it but understand why people choose to aviod heavy metals so nuff said on cooper. I personally have had zero good results from meds like quick ick or psuedo meds containg tree tea oil. High temps and salts would be my next alternative. It's been my experience that the larger or older the fish is the higher the success rate. Juvi's can die rather quickly in some cases before you have a chance to react. I'd much rather deal with Ick (easy) than what i'm dealin' with now - Red Terror w/ tapeworms - I wish us both great success.

tapeworms....have you tried prazipro? I've heard nothing but good result with it. once I'm done with ich, I'll probably dose my tank with that to clean my fish inside out.

I could be mistaken, but I was under the impression that when you heat them up they accelerate their life cycle. When they re-emerge from their dormant stage and begin swimming through the H2O column in search of a host that's when they are the most susceptible to heat or medications. If I'm not mistaken. That's why it's best to keep the heat up until the whole life cycle has been completed.

I think the reason medicine can only be effective during the tomites stage is that that's the only stage it does not have a protective "wall" around it. unless the "wall" is a complete thermal isolator other wise the increase in water temperature can still kill it. I guess to do it for 10 days or longer is just to ensure every single ich is killed.

also in the trophozoite stage, high concentration of salt can destroy it by preventing them from maintaining fluid balance, but that approach may also harm the fish so is not for all fish. (this needs to be performed in a separate tank for 30minutes, so don't just go dose the main tank with tons of salt)

 

[Armand]

I could be mistaken, but I was under the impression that when you heat them up they accelerate their life cycle. When they re-emerge from their dormant stage and begin swimming through the H2O column in search of a host that's when they are the most susceptible to heat or medications. If I'm not mistaken. That's why it's best to keep the heat up until the whole life cycle has been completed.

Nope, you're not mistaken, that's the way it works bro!.


Cheers.

 

[Diogenes]

tapeworms....have you tried prazipro? I've heard nothing but good result with it. once I'm done with ich, I'll probably dose my tank with that to clean my fish inside out.



I think the reason medicine can only be effective during the tomites stage is that that's the only stage it does not have a protective "wall" around it. unless the "wall" is a complete thermal isolator other wise the increase in water temperature can still kill it. I guess to do it for 10 days or longer is just to ensure every single ich is killed.

also in the trophozoite stage, high concentration of salt can destroy it by preventing them from maintaining fluid balance, but that approach may also harm the fish so is not for all fish. (this needs to be performed in a separate tank for 30minutes, so don't just go dose the main tank with tons of salt)

yeah I agree i've used praziquantel with good results. It used to be used on humans to treat worm infections, but I think there are newer/better drugs for this now.

I think the dormant stage is resistant to heat, but like i said i could be wrong. As far as the fluid balance is concerned, thats what the organs in the fish maintain, but like you said it can harm some freshwater fish. Marine ich is a whole 'nuther story.

 

[Otherone]

Ya I'm using prazi and garlic. 1st prazi laced food til' they stopped eating then a 48hr double dose, then started using garlic dipped food - from what I've read garlic creates an internal enviorment that parasites can't live in. 3 of 5 are eating again but my big boys runnin' outta time 10 daze no food w/ sunken stomach (2 1/2 year old M. Red Terror) - Back on topic - I forgot yesterday to mention when I have treated my P's with salt I only use a 50% dose 1/2 Tablespoon per 5 gal. P's are small/soft scale fish- as mentioned above salts and meds can be real harsh on P's - hence cletted cooper.

 

[Diogenes]

Ya I'm using prazi and garlic. 1st prazi laced food til' they stopped eating then a 48hr double dose, then started using garlic dipped food - from what I've read garlic creates an internal enviorment that parasites can't live in. 3 of 5 are eating again but my big boys runnin' outta time 10 daze no food w/ sunken stomach (2 1/2 year old M. Red Terror) - Back on topic - I forgot yesterday to mention when I have treated my P's with salt I only use a 50% dose 1/2 Tablespoon per 5 gal. P's are small/soft scale fish- as mentioned above salts and meds can be real harsh on P's - hence cletted cooper.

dude dose that tank with the prazi tablets. They work in like 30 minutes. you'll see the worms being shed from the fishes GI tract out of the anal orifice. Prazi only works on worms, it will NOT affect the cycle in the tank like antibiotics. It's win/win. Just make sure you take the activated carbon out of your filter media.

 

[jp80911]

will prazi work with planaria? I got some planaria on the glass and driftwood and some small brownish color dots (not algae 100%)all over one side of the glass. not sure what they are.

 

[Diogenes]

will prazi work with planaria? I got some planaria on the glass and driftwood and some small brownish color dots (not algae 100%)all over one side of the glass. not sure what they are.

Praziquantel (Biltricide) is an anthelmintic effective against flatworms. Planaria are non-parasitic flatworms of the biological family Planariidae. So, I would say...yes.

 

[jp80911]

alright, gotta go pick some up when I get the chance.

 

[Otherone]

dude dose that tank with the prazi tablets. They work in like 30 minutes. you'll see the worms being shed from the fishes GI tract out of the anal orifice. Prazi only works on worms, it will NOT affect the cycle in the tank like antibiotics. It's win/win. Just make sure you take the activated carbon out of your filter media.

Ya I did - sorry I wasn't clear - that's what I meant when I said double dose, Jungle Parasite with Prazi -1st dose then 48 hrs later. Before the tabs I used API general sprayed onto their food - also contains a lower dose of prazi. Now that the prazi treatment is over the follow up is garlic extract. I do really appreciate your advice - keep it comin'.