Whats the ULTIMATE freshwater monster.

[MN_Rebel]

Is it a freshwater species or a marine species? A gator gar being in the ocean is like a bull shark being in Illinois, it happens but it's not normal. Gars aren't a marine species. Some trevally and snappers can occasionally be found in freshwater, but they're still considered marine species. I've caught largemouth bass in full salt water in the Saint John's River in Jacksonville, Florida right along side of bonnethead sharks and drum. LMB are still considered freshwater fish.

So now you can accept that alligator gars are true freshwater fishes despite of them being found in SW? Even the bull sharks are often found in freshwater settings?

 

[supergourami]

So now you can accept that alligator gars are true freshwater fishes despite of them being found in SW? Even the bull sharks are often found in freshwater settings?

gars originated in freshwater. bull sharks in salt.

 

[MN_Rebel]

gars originated in freshwater. bull sharks in salt.

Bull sharks originated in freshwater.....if you know the biology of bull sharks.

 

[Chicxulub]

So now you can accept that alligator gars are true freshwater fishes despite of them being found in SW? Even the bull sharks are often found in freshwater settings?

Is a bullshark a freshwater species or is it a marine species? Is a gar a freshwater species or is it a marine species? Where do the majority of the members of their prospective populations live, reproduce and die? Of each species' population, which is the transient population; the freshwater population or the marine population? It is all about the location of the majority of specimens that are being caught. I have in no way reversed myself or contradicted myself about bull sharks in this thread.

Bull sharks are a MARINE species. Period. Anomalous freshwater populations are irrelevant in that regard. If they were a freshwater species, their entire life cycle would take place in fresh water, like Glyphis sharks. Hell, if we get really strict on your interpretation of this and we throw out gator gars, then we have to throw out ATF too. We have to throw out big Lates. We have to throw out big North American catfish. There are a LOT of different freshwater species that can tolerate various levels of salinity with various levels of success. The same goes for marine fish in freshwater. How do you suppose that we get various populations of fish of the same species in waters that are connected only by the ocean?

If someone was to throw out alligator gar as the top non Selachimorpha marine fish, I'd deny that based on the fact that gars are freshwater fish.

You're taking such a broad interpretation of the concept of 'fresh water' that it loses all meaning. If we're going to use this treatment, we might as well throw out the entire concept of an ultimate 'fresh'water moster.

Hell I vote great white shark.

Bull sharks originated in freshwater.....if you know the biology of bull sharks.

Anadromous reproduction does not a freshwater species make.

 

[supergourami]

Bull sharks originated in freshwater.....if you know the biology of bull sharks.

I knew this but not talking many years in the past. right now they hail from the ocean

 

[supergourami]

sorry for the double post but don't bullsharks have a gland or organ that has evolved to retain salt enabling it to travel to FW. (so wouldn't this prove its a salt fish?) its proven that a bullshark has to work much harder and eat much more in fw then it has to do in salt also urinating 6x more when in fw then it would in a salt water enviorment.

 

[JwHiser13]

these two are reported to eat large fish, and they could jump, which would scare away others. doubt anything other than tigers can kill them, so I would put them at second. chicx do u think this is sticky worth BTW? if u think something else deserves second place( GATF is first) post away

Lol so do the pink dolphins in the amazon


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[D.Wolf]

Dont mix bull shark with glyphis glyphis are fw, bulls just evolved to the point they can go from salt to freshwater

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[MN_Rebel]

Is a bullshark a freshwater species or is it a marine species? Is a gar a freshwater species or is it a marine species? Where do the majority of the members of their prospective populations live, reproduce and die? Of each species' population, which is the transient population; the freshwater population or the marine population? It is all about the location of the majority of specimens that are being caught. I have in no way reversed myself or contradicted myself about bull sharks in this thread.

Bull sharks are a MARINE species. Period. Anomalous freshwater populations are irrelevant in that regard. If they were a freshwater species, their entire life cycle would take place in fresh water, like Glyphis sharks. Hell, if we get really strict on your interpretation of this and we throw out gator gars, then we have to throw out ATF too. We have to throw out big Lates. We have to throw out big North American catfish. There are a LOT of different freshwater species that can tolerate various levels of salinity with various levels of success. The same goes for marine fish in freshwater. How do you suppose that we get various populations of fish of the same species in waters that are connected only by the ocean?

If someone was to throw out alligator gar as the top non Selachimorpha marine fish, I'd deny that based on the fact that gars are freshwater fish.

You're taking such a broad interpretation of the concept of 'fresh water' that it loses all meaning. If we're going to use this treatment, we might as well throw out the entire concept of an ultimate 'fresh'water moster.

Hell I vote great white shark.



Anadromous reproduction does not a freshwater species make.

Yup you got it right! You can't have both ways. If you are going throw the bull sharks and other anadromous species then you needs to throw out the freshwater fishes that visited the saltwater environment as well. Seems fair to ya?

 

[Pole]

All the marine stuff, and anything not predatory should be tossed out. Mekong giants are big and all but that would be an great long lasting meal for a gatf. In natural conditions (a river or lake, not a tank) I believe the GATF will come out on top no matter what. Too fast, too big of teeth and too efficient of a striker to try and say anything tops it.

It would be a hell of a lucky strike from a FW stingray to hit a gatf.

Sturgeon don't attack larger fish, and are far too slow too withstand gatf attack

Bull sharks have only been made FW by human intervention which should not count.

Glyphis is the only shark that should be accountable in this. And I feel like its in between an aimara wolf, a GATF and a glyphis for ultimo! I don't think any other fish can really stack up to any of those

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dude ur late. its estasblished a goliath is top, now we are looking for next in line