How is this even an appropriate analogy? Like Lix said, pound pound for pound, half these fish wouldn't even have been mentioned. We're talking full sized specimens. A 17" rhom vs. a 5' gatf?
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Whats the ULTIMATE freshwater monster.
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How is this even an appropriate analogy? Like Lix said, pound pound for pound, half these fish wouldn't even have been mentioned. We're talking full sized specimens. A 17" rhom vs. a 5' gatf?
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Exactly. "Ultimate predator" and "ultimate monster" are two different things, IMO. There's no denying the size, speed and teeth of the GATF are very impressive, but there are other factors too, like the potential damage from an electric ell, the sheer belligerence of something like dovii or umbee, or the massive size of the pima, sturgeon, mekong ray etc.
It's been an interesting discussion but there's never going to be a clear cut winner.
It's been an interesting discussion but there's never going to be a clear cut winner.
That works for me. I have no problem with anyone having a difference of opinion.
What I do take issue with is that you're trying to convince other members that a bull shark is a freshwater species when it is clearly an anadromous marine fish. That's all I have an issue with. If you want to caveat that in your view anadromous fish count, that's fine. Just make sure that you let people know that you're considering anadromous fish as well as true freshwater fish.
As the OP mentioned freshwater, I take a strict interpretation of that to mean non-anadromous species.
I think a discussion of the merits if a GATF / bull shark fight could be a hell of a fun next step in this debate...
Good night, get your panties out if a bunch lol. I clarified my problem above. I don't care if people have a different opinion, I do care about people spreading around patently false information.
If were discussing the ultimate freshwater predator, what possible logic could there be to compare a yearling ATF with an adult P? If this is a competition to determine the ultimate fresh water predator, why would we handicap any fish's potential? That doesn't make sense to me.
A moderator should be able to engage in discussions and arguments. It is only inappropriate when they use their moderator power to censor users or opinions.
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If you can show me proof of one then this thread is over. And I don't mean proof like discovery channel shows (a lot of those are fake nowadays) I mean real scientific proof.
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I think GATF would have to be considered the apex FW fish. Although, if this were about a hypothetical river filled with every fish in the world there would most likely be many species of fish with no natural predator as top predators don't just go for the next fish on the food chain cause they wanna be proven tougher and risk of injury, they would prey on easier species.
On the Bull Shark note, I have seen Bull Sharks in fresh and brackish water and I gotta say I'd rather swim in a lake which has a known GATF population than a Bull Shark population but Bull Sharks are primarily marine animals.
On the Bull Shark note, I have seen Bull Sharks in fresh and brackish water and I gotta say I'd rather swim in a lake which has a known GATF population than a Bull Shark population but Bull Sharks are primarily marine animals.
Well, google images doesn't lie so just do a search and you will find your proof!!
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Really google doesn't lie? Lmao don't know to take as a joke or not hahaha. Here's one I have never seem/heard of so is it real?
Also have you never seen the great white seagull? That thing is crazy cute!!!!
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