Whats the ULTIMATE freshwater monster.

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I still don't think it can compete with this
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a snakehead is far more aggressive, so in confined conditions together a snakehead will kill a goliath and just to prove their aggression...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncXatBY8qC8

The current world record toman is 38 pounds. There are anecdotal reports of up to 70 some odd pounds, but I'd put those reports in the same category as the 600 pound paimas and 300 pound goliaths.

How do you propose that a 38 pound fish will go about killing a 120 pound fish, when the 120 pound fish routinely feeds on fish that size?

I don't argue that at similar sizes the toman would have a good shot, but since this is the ULTIMATE freshwater monster, it's only fair to use max sizes.

The world record, 38 pound toman:

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The current world record toman is 38 pounds. There are anecdotal reports of up to 70 some odd pounds, but I'd put those reports in the same category as the 600 pound paimas and 300 pound goliaths.

How do you propose that a 38 pound fish will go about killing a 120 pound fish, when the 120 pound fish routinely feeds on fish that size?

I don't argue that at similar sizes the toman would have a good shot, but since this is the ULTIMATE freshwater monster, it's only fair to use max sizes.

The world record, 38 pound toman:

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honestly, its kinda like a little tube of hatred, I have never ever saw that sort of aggression in tigerfish, and u said in some of ur threads that tigers calm down as they grow. snakeheads never do in addition heres a vid of one of my first bids, electric eel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kw6ZG860mbI and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AktTpy5_39g
 
honestly, its kinda like a little tube of hatred, I have never ever saw that sort of aggression in tigerfish, and u said in some of ur threads that tigers calm down as they grow. snakeheads never do

Predatory capability is not equal to aggression. I'd put my money on a big, pissed of male dovii over a toman to be honest. And both of them would be food for a large goliath. A goliath is a large, active dynamic predator. Just because it calms down and can become fairly tame in an aquarium doesn't mean that it isn't still a fearsome apex predator. Your video proves my point; a hungry ATF of any variety grabbing a prey fish by the tail like that would only need to bite down hard once to cut it in half. No shaking or thrashing necessary like the toman.

Are you considering hardiness at all? Because ATF are kind of sensitive little babies when it comes to stress. :)


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As babies. The big ones are very hardy and heal like wolverine. When kept in groups, large ones routinely give each other wounds that would kill 98% of other species and they're healed up in a week.
 
As babies. The big ones are very hardy and heal like wolverine. When kept in groups, large ones routinely give each other wounds that would kill 98% of other species and they're healed up in a week.

Well, I would love to see big ones in tanks to be able to gauge that but no one seems to be able to keep them alive that long. :)



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Predatory capability is not equal to aggression. I'd put my money on a big, pissed of male dovii over a toman to be honest. And both of them would be food for a large goliath. A goliath is a large, active dynamic predator. Just because it calms down and can become fairly tame in an aquarium doesn't mean that it isn't still a fearsome apex predator. Your video proves my point; a hungry ATF of any variety grabbing a prey fish by the tail like that would only need to bite down hard once to cut it in half. No shaking or thrashing necessary like the toman.



As babies. The big ones are very hardy and heal like wolverine. When kept in groups, large ones routinely give each other wounds that would kill 98% of other species and they're healed up in a week.
a snakehead will own a goliath tho.especially when breeding, the parent will probably dismember the tigerfish before it can do anything.If u were to place a snakehead and a goliath in the tank, the snakehead will probably go for the goliath first, not giving it a chance to bite. U said nothing bout the electric eel, my second candidate, who probably will survive a tigerfish bite, as its vital organs are located in the upper half of the body
 
Well, I would love to see big ones in tanks to be able to gauge that but no one seems to be able to keep them alive that long. :)



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Haha, I'm working on it. There are plenty of guys who have gotten various tigers over 2', which qualifies as an adult for any species. Wu Chun got his GATF over 3', but hasn't posted in years.


a snakehead will own a goliath tho.especially when breeding, the parent will probably dismember the tigerfish before it can do anything.If u were to place a snakehead and a goliath in the tank, the snakehead will probably go for the goliath first, not giving it a chance to bite. U said nothing bout the electric eel, my second candidate, who probably will survive a tigerfish bite, as its vital organs are located in the upper half of the body

Do you have any info to prove that a snakehead can dismember a fish 5x its size? The best I've seen a snakehead take out is a fish that's slightly bigger. Without any sort of proof, your claim that a large adult toman could take out a large adult goliath is little more than an opinion, especially considering that most large adult tomen are still less than ten pounds.
 
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