Not for $3 a pound lol. Like I said, economical option. I don't have a need for it.
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whats your take on this HIKARI product
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Not for $3 a pound lol. Like I said, economical option. I don't have a need for it.
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Natural is a relative term when you're talking about a cooked fish meal product with two forms of starch, yeast, and vitamin supplements.
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Gotta guess though... That salmon is probably cheap farmed garbage. What species of krill? Probably Atlantic, cheaper and less nutritious. Yeast is just there as a cheap source to boost protein. And the same price as NLS.
So, for my money with this stuff, I would buy the NLS and just supplement with some "treats" if you desire faster growth. Just my 2 cents.
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Haha sorry for the multiple posts but I'm awake, I just thought of one more thing... Would it really be surprising a fish food company wouldn't be 100% truthful with how they advertise? Hmmm
Hey why doesn't YFS list ash?
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Yeah thats kinda what ive been thinking. When i get food next im going bulk and am prolly just gonna go jumbo nls and supllement with krill and the sticks. The sticks are basically the same texture as nls so getting fish to eat both is easy.
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Also a question ive pondered myself. I may have to ask them cause its somewhat worried me lol
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Been there, done that with Hikari vs some other foods, had similar results and don't use Hikari anymore.
Typically a lot of grain and starch ingredients in Hikari and, in fact, a number of their products (including tropical food sticks) list an unidentified mystery "starch" as an ingredient.
Ingredients List as found here: Fish Meal, Krill Meal, Wheat Flour, Starch, Flaked Corn, Brewer's Dried Yeast, Rice Bran, Dl-Methionine, L-Lysine, Astaxanthin, Canthaxanthin, Choline Chloride, , L-Ascorbyl-2-Polyphosphate (Stabilized Vitamin C), Inositol, Calcium Pantothenate, Riboflavin, Thiamine Mononitrate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Niacin, Folic Acid, Biotin, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Ferrous Sulfate, Magnesium Sulfate, Zinc Sulfate, Manganese Sulfate, Cobalt Sulfate, Copper Sulfate, Calcium Iodate, Aluminum Hydroxide.
So there's a total of five grain, starch, or by-product ingredients (brewers dried yeast, by product of beer brewing) after two aquatic protein ingredients. Also note "flaked corn"... corn flakes in fish food, really? IMO in their marketing they try to turn these negatives into a positive as follows:
If you scroll down to comments on Hikari Tropical Food sticks in this link you see:
Both are indications of a lot of starch vs quality sources of protein. Absorbing water quickly (and swelling) happens when you cook cereal, pasta, etc. Lysine has to be added when total protein % relies too heavily on grains or other alternative sources of protein with unbalanced or deficient amino acid profiles. This can also be indicated in some products with very high protein %. Extra protein is sometimes included in an attempt to compensate for inefficient proteins from grain or similar sources. (See this article on ideal protein.)
Lot of people use and like Hikari, so not intending to bash what others do, but there are better foods out there in my experience of testing and comparing foods.
Well done Jeff. lol
100% Natural. Right, just like they state - No Preservatives. Really, so none of that salmon meal, krill, shrimp, plankton, or fish oil contains any form of preservatives?
C'mon fellas, think about it.
Of course the salmon meal is from farmed fish, and no doubt it is dirt cheap compared to some of the more premium grades of fish meals derived from wild fish. Wake up some of you guys. The main ingredient is processing plant waste.
As Jeff stated previously; "Most of these places like YFS are likely buying commercial stuff in bulk like this for a couple bucks a pound and then turning around and selling them for five times the price or more."
Bingo! Just like Ken's etc they buy in bulk from a feed mill, then re-bag & slap their own label on the food. They aren't making the food themselves, everything that goes into their product is purchased and formulated by a middle man (the feed mill) who buys their raw ingredients in bulk, typically from the cheapest source possible. You peeps have absolutely no clue where some of these raw ingredients in their "100% natural" line up is being sourced from. Could be Thailand, India, China - I doubt that even the vendor would know as the feed mill might not want to share their contacts or source info.
Check it out.
http://www.yourfishstuff.com/about-us/
Take a close look at that picture linked to above, and ask yourself which food do you reckon that vendor is making the greater profit on? Now which food do you think personally serves him best to promote at shows like that?
I mean if it was half the cost of some of the premium brands out there - the kind that have stood the test of time for over 20 yrs now - the kind that are used by some of the most prestigeous public aquariums in the USA - the kind that have been developed by someone who has been living & breathing fish for the past 50+ years - then I maybe I could understand.
But it isn't - it's just as much $$$ or more. WTF?
And thanks to John for posting the following, well said amigo.
I quit caring about what people feed their fish a long time ago, people will do what they do, their money their fish, and overall most fish foods will get the job done.
But if you are going to promote something, especially on a public forum, you should probably get some of your facts straight first.
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100% Natural. Right, just like they state - No Preservatives. Really, so none of that salmon meal, krill, shrimp, plankton, or fish oil contains any form of preservatives?
C'mon fellas, think about it.
Of course the salmon meal is from farmed fish, and no doubt it is dirt cheap compared to some of the more premium grades of fish meals derived from wild fish. Wake up some of you guys. The main ingredient is processing plant waste.
As Jeff stated previously; "Most of these places like YFS are likely buying commercial stuff in bulk like this for a couple bucks a pound and then turning around and selling them for five times the price or more."
Bingo! Just like Ken's etc they buy in bulk from a feed mill, then re-bag & slap their own label on the food. They aren't making the food themselves, everything that goes into their product is purchased and formulated by a middle man (the feed mill) who buys their raw ingredients in bulk, typically from the cheapest source possible. You peeps have absolutely no clue where some of these raw ingredients in their "100% natural" line up is being sourced from. Could be Thailand, India, China - I doubt that even the vendor would know as the feed mill might not want to share their contacts or source info.
Check it out.
http://www.yourfishstuff.com/about-us/
Take a close look at that picture linked to above, and ask yourself which food do you reckon that vendor is making the greater profit on? Now which food do you think personally serves him best to promote at shows like that?
I mean if it was half the cost of some of the premium brands out there - the kind that have stood the test of time for over 20 yrs now - the kind that are used by some of the most prestigeous public aquariums in the USA - the kind that have been developed by someone who has been living & breathing fish for the past 50+ years - then I maybe I could understand.
But it isn't - it's just as much $$$ or more. WTF?
And thanks to John for posting the following, well said amigo.
I quit caring about what people feed their fish a long time ago, people will do what they do, their money their fish, and overall most fish foods will get the job done.
But if you are going to promote something, especially on a public forum, you should probably get some of your facts straight first.
This message has been approved as being 100% Natural.
im not concerned about the price aslong as its not like 50 bucks for 8 ounces then that wud be rediculous .i want to feed my fish the best ingredients. the extra 3-12 dollars doesnt matter. ingredients wise what is the best out period
+1, and too many brand A vs brand B fish food debates resemble little more than Ford vs Chevy or Miller vs Bud arguments that ultimately aren't especially helpful, except to demonstrate people have different opinions based on varying levels of actual knowledge or experience... or, to paraphrase, tales told by hobbyists, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.
