where to find hibernating herps?

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Connor0729;1306502; said:
i just did a quick check, and so far it looks like it is legal to keep wild animals in ontario. as far as buying them, i have never seen a grey tree frog or red backed salamander in any petshops around here;)
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that and finding out if they are well suited to captive life... I know some salamanders are quite hard.

Personally I don't like the idea of disturbing hibernating animals, for the reason santoury mentioned. I feed bad finding diurnal reptiles at night when they are cold and grumpy and settled for the night.
 
Double-check on Ontario's laws.

I am pretty sure you can't keep some of the natives.

Edit: Yep, at least I am partly right. You can't keep a native from the wild, but you can buy them.

http://www.kingsnake.com/chat/jeff_hathaway.html

ClintG - what laws are there governing the keeping of Native Ontario Species?
Jeff Hathaway - Provincial law governing native species- Fish and Wildlife Conservation Act... It designates some herps as 'game' or 'specially protected', I refer to species which are unclassified as 'non-SP' (garters, etc).. it is illegal to collect ANY herp from the wild without a permit or license. you can get a permit to keep a legally acquired specimen
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Rafiki - how do you legally acquire a specimen if all native herps are illegal to collect?
Jeff Hathaway - if one is given to you from a legal source- i.e. I gave you one of my baby water snakes, or if you buy one from a legal source if you get a permit to purchase... also, if you are a farmer, on your own land, you can legally collect non-SP herps like garter snakes. Also, you can catch leopard frogs for bait, bullfrogs & snappers for food with a fishing license...
Jeff Hathaway - NON-SP herps can be purchased without a permit. There are actually people who breed eastern garters in captivity.
Jeff Hathaway - like I said, the details of the laws are best discussed over email- there are a lot of nuances.
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k thanks for all the help guys. does anyone know where i can get a grey tree frog then?

btw, in Reptiles mag they have an article about collecting herps, and they said that grey tree frogs are good at aclimating to new surroundings.
 
well I've seen them about over here, so they must be available somewhere for you. Get in contact with a LPS/LRS and ask if they can get any in. Find if there are any expos near you. Good luck!
 
Connor0729;1308666; said:
my lps can't get any in:(, because they are a native species. maybe i'll just get a permit:D
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In most states here in the US, you can't sell herps in pet stores if they are native to that state because there's no way of proving how you got them. You could have just walked behind the store and caught them if you wanted to. It also keeps people from coming in and trying to sell something they caught in their backyard down the street. I figured that Canada would have similar if not stricter rules.
 
Under loose bark and rotting logs is a good place to look BUT, bear in mind that disturbing the hibernation shelters of animals is a very good way to kill what you don't actually collect. It is hard to relpace the structure you disturb and can be very stressful on the animalsat a time when they are vulnerable .
 
thanks guppy.

i just called ontario fish and game (or whatever its called, i can't remember:screwy:) and they said that i can collect and keep herps, as long as it isn't a huge amount of them:D.

if i was to find something and want to keep it, would i be able to aclimate it by slowly warming it up (from outside temps to inside temps) over a period of 2-3 weeks?

thanks for the help guys, and if you don't believe me about the law, call them your self:D
 
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