I know guys call me crazy. I want to let go the tiger rays and concentrate on the leos and otorongos. I have a "show quality" 21" female, 20" male, and 18" "show quality, tight patterned" male. Will sell all 3 for $1700. Sounds like a lot but for what it is, it's cheap. If there is ever a chance on breeding tigers this could be the pair, fully matured. pics here : http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35766