im confuse on how to compare these two beautiful fish. they look the same in which i see. but i need to know more about these fish. anyone ? any suggestions would be highly appreciated. 
wht's the difference between the red devil and flowerhorn?
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I'm not sure why you're confused, are you new to the hobby? You seem to at least know that Flowerhorns are hybrids because you posted in the appropriate forum. So it makes me wonder what else you know and where your confusion lies. I'll try to point out some differences but without knowing why you don't see a difference yourself I may not answer your question.
Flowerhorns are hybrids while Red Devils(amphilophua labiatus) are natural occurring cichlids. Now Red Devils where used in the original creation of flowerhorns and more detailed info. about that can be seen in the stickies or with a little research. Red Devils always have a consistent body shape while Flowerhorns have a variable one based on the fish used predominantly in an individuals creation. Red Devils tend toward only certain color patterns while Flowerhorns have a highly variable one. Red Devils tend toward Red/White/Orange or some combination of the three predominantly and lack the flowerline, which is a trait FH's inherited from their Trimac(Amphilophus Trimaculatus) ancestors. Red Devils also have a body shape that generally tapers a little more than Flowerhorns. The list goes on but I'll stop here in regards to Red Devils.
With more modern flowerhorns incorporating vieja cichlids(or should I say what used to be known as vieja) bloodlines their bodies have become more similar to their vieja progenitors rather than their Red Devil progenitors as the RD's blood has been thinned and so the RD features are less prominent. Though flowerhorn bodies are highly variable in general again for the reasons I stated above and they are classified accordingly into different classes such as Zhen Zhous(ZZ's), Golden Monkeys(GM's), Indo Malaus and Kamfa just to name a few. Honestly the differences are quite extensive and so is the explanation and again your better off reading the stickies rather then me regurgitating the same lengthy info. here. The FH(Flowerhorn) that probably has the body that looks most like an RD(Red Devil) is in my opinion the ZZ's. The other classes should be apparently different from RD's in body shape and coloration in my opinion without the need for explanation.
Hope that helps some.
Flowerhorns are hybrids while Red Devils(amphilophua labiatus) are natural occurring cichlids. Now Red Devils where used in the original creation of flowerhorns and more detailed info. about that can be seen in the stickies or with a little research. Red Devils always have a consistent body shape while Flowerhorns have a variable one based on the fish used predominantly in an individuals creation. Red Devils tend toward only certain color patterns while Flowerhorns have a highly variable one. Red Devils tend toward Red/White/Orange or some combination of the three predominantly and lack the flowerline, which is a trait FH's inherited from their Trimac(Amphilophus Trimaculatus) ancestors. Red Devils also have a body shape that generally tapers a little more than Flowerhorns. The list goes on but I'll stop here in regards to Red Devils.
With more modern flowerhorns incorporating vieja cichlids(or should I say what used to be known as vieja) bloodlines their bodies have become more similar to their vieja progenitors rather than their Red Devil progenitors as the RD's blood has been thinned and so the RD features are less prominent. Though flowerhorn bodies are highly variable in general again for the reasons I stated above and they are classified accordingly into different classes such as Zhen Zhous(ZZ's), Golden Monkeys(GM's), Indo Malaus and Kamfa just to name a few. Honestly the differences are quite extensive and so is the explanation and again your better off reading the stickies rather then me regurgitating the same lengthy info. here. The FH(Flowerhorn) that probably has the body that looks most like an RD(Red Devil) is in my opinion the ZZ's. The other classes should be apparently different from RD's in body shape and coloration in my opinion without the need for explanation.
Hope that helps some.
what i meant was the red monkey flowerhorn and the red devil. they look the same. look at this for instant.
this a red monkey flowerhorn tht i found on monsterfishkeepers.
i searched red devil on google and found this. -_-
so ? how do you differentiate that ?
this a red monkey flowerhorn tht i found on monsterfishkeepers.
i searched red devil on google and found this. -_-
so ? how do you differentiate that ?
Thanks, I was trying to be concise without losing pertinent info. I'm glad you feel I did a decent job of it.
Right off the bat the pic of the RD looks more like an RD/Midas to me. It's chunkier body style in conjunction with it's shorter muzzle is what leads me to that guess, though I'll admit without more and better pics it's hard to be sure, which is often the problem with pic id's. Still there are other differences I see between the RD/Midas and your RM. One is your RM's pearlescent coloring which is giving it a pinkish hue on it's upper body. The color of RD is generally pretty flat(lacks the reflection that pearlescent color creates) not to mention how short you RM's face is compared to the RD/Midas you've posted as well as the RD/Midas having a bigger more powerful looking mouth. Another definitive give away is the KOK(Nuchal Bump) which wouldn't appear in an RD until a older age. In general cichlids develop the hump as they get on in years while FH's have been bred to produce one at a young age as is the case with yours. In general the RD at that size would be more streamlined while your RM has taken on adult cichlid traits at a juvenile stage. Perfect example is my avatar which is a Kamalau whose got the body of an adult cichlid at 3 inches. I could go on but I think you get the idea. Also my guess is as well that your RM isn't a true RM but a Rose Queen at least that's what it looks like to me which is an amalgamation of RD/Midas hybrids which further muddies the ability to differentiate between the the two(RD and FH) but it can be done.
wow. this is so complicated. and im starting to think about the male. my uncle gave me this female (from wht i already checked a 'U' shaped anal), and he kept the male. now, his male starting to fade and getting bigger kok. wht does tht mean? do red devils do tht?
btw, nice kml. hoping to buy one soon.
btw, nice kml. hoping to buy one soon.
wow. this is so complicated. and im starting to think about the male. my uncle gave me this female (from wht i already checked a 'U' shaped anal), and he kept the male. now, his male starting to fade and getting bigger kok. wht does tht mean? do red devils do tht?
btw, nice kml. hoping to buy one soon.
Every midevil,rd,and midas I had has faded it's what they do. As for the nuchal hump( kok only applies to flowerhorns) I've seen male and female gain and loose them depending on varying things
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oh. okay. how about to identify their gender. is it the same as flowerhorns (V male, U female) ?