Why does everyone overdo the bio?

[cvermeulen]

There are hundreds of threads that support this. Heck even BC's 125g supports this. You realistically believe that just an AC110 is all you need to effectively filter and 175g worth of tank here on MFK

BTW It is Sunday

Then why don't you link us to one of those hundreds of threads, where having not enough bio media is the clear cause of an ammonia problem.

I think that an AC110 would have a very hard time providing enough water current and mechanical filtration to handle a 175gl tank, but without specifics on the stock, who's to say the biological capacity would not be enough? You? Why? How much bio is needed exactly per gallon, or per unit of bio-load? If you don't know the answer to that with some evidence to back it up, then you are not in a position to make that statement.

 

[Toby_H]

Bderrick commonly provides misinformation to support his nonsense...
　
I have a 75 gal, 50 gal, 50 gal tier (one stacked over the other) and all three tanks are plumbed together using a 700 gph pump to move water to the top tank, where it falls into the middle tank, where it falls into the bottom tank... and the bottom tank has an AC110 on it...
　
I previously had 5 of these set ups in my fish room and they functioned just fine for over a year without any ammonia/nitrite issues…
　
He likes to pretend that is the same as a 175 gal tank with a single AC 110 on it...
　
So you can see he in incapable of understanding, or at least acknowledging, reality when discussing such topics.
　
It's useless to try to get him to admit when he's wrong or to stop propagate misunderstandings... but at times it's amusing to try. At least others get the benefit of reading thorough explanations that counter his nonsense.

 

[Bderick67]

Then why don't you link us to one of those hundreds of threads, where having not enough bio media is the clear cause of an ammonia problem.

I think that an AC110 would have a very hard time providing enough water current and mechanical filtration to handle a 175gl tank, but without specifics on the stock, who's to say the biological capacity would not be enough? You? Why? How much bio is needed exactly per gallon, or per unit of bio-load? If you don't know the answer to that with some evidence to back it up, then you are not in a position to make that statement.

Search function is available for you if you need to analyze each and everyone of those threads. Glad to see you do agree with me regarding the filtering of 175g worth of fish tank with just a single AC110

 

[cvermeulen]

I have a 75 gal, 50 gal, 50 gal tier (one stacked over the other) and all three tanks are plumbed together using a 700 gph pump to move water to the top tank, where it falls into the middle tank, where it falls into the bottom tank... and the bottom tank has an AC110 on it...

Right, so you have three separate tanks, with 700gph flowing through each, with decor, and water agitation from the falling water, AND the AC110 which is probably only picking up mechanical duty for the most part. Slightly different than a bare 6x2x2 with an AC110. Although, with a powerhead or two for current, and gravel substrate, an AC110 might be adequate on a 175. Might not do enough mech for monsters, but we're not talking about mech.

 

[cvermeulen]

Search function is available for you if you need to analyze each and everyone of those threads. Glad to see you do agree with me regarding the filtering of 175g worth of fish tank with just a single AC110

I didn't agree with you. Read it again, along with the other posts regarding this scenario. We're not discussing current or mechanical filtration, and we're not talking about a single 175gl tank with an AC110 sitting on the edge, either.

Since you are making the claim that all these threads exist and that they prove your point, the burden of proof is on you to come up with at least one. If you can't provide any shred of evidence to support your position, I urge you to stop wasting the time and effort of the rest of us trying to discuss evidence one way or the other.

 

[Bderick67]

Bderrick commonly provides misinformation to support his nonsense...
　
I have a 75 gal, 50 gal, 50 gal tier (one stacked over the other) and all three tanks are plumbed together using a 700 gph pump to move water to the top tank, where it falls into the middle tank, where it falls into the bottom tank... and the bottom tank has an AC110 on it...
　
I previously had 5 of these set ups in my fish room and they functioned just fine for over a year without any ammonia/nitrite issues…
　
He likes to pretend that is the same as a 175 gal tank with a single AC 110 on it...
　
So you can see he in incapable of understanding, or at least acknowledging, reality when discussing such topics.
　
It's useless to try to get him to admit when he's wrong or to stop propagate misunderstandings... but at times it's amusing to try. At least others get the benefit of reading thorough explanations that counter his nonsense.

I didn't agree with you. Read it again, along with the other posts regarding this scenario. We're not discussing current or mechanical filtration, and we're not talking about a single 175gl tank with an AC110 sitting on the edge, either.

Comprehension is key. Note of the use of the words "of" and "worth" in my posts. never implied it was a single 175g tank

 

[Bderick67]

Since you are making the claim that all these threads exist and that they prove your point, the burden of proof is on you to come up with at least one. If you can't provide any shred of evidence to support your position, I urge you to stop wasting the time and effort of the rest of us trying to discuss evidence one way or the other.

What exactly has been proven by any one? These are all just posted claims anyhow. Myself I only have ever had one experience where I did not have enough bio media. 65g tank with 3 6-7" RBPs in it and a peguin350 biowheel. So I'll base my experience on that.

Since when do we only bio filter our tanks anyhow?

 

[cvermeulen]

Let's put it this way. Let me make up two completely plausible, if imaginary tanks.

Both are 180gl 6x2x2 tanks, both house 3 20" silver aros, a 14" pleco, and some snails.

One tank has 3 FX5's with $100 worth of bio media. Total filtration investment: $1000. Total weekly filter cleaning time (based on cleaning one filter per week, rotating through them.) 20 mins per week.

Second tank as a pair of AC110's with the included biomax media. Total filter cost - $100. Total weekly filter cleaning time - 10 mins.

Both have zero ammonia, zero nitrite.

Who has the better setup?

?

 

[Bderick67]

Well considering you'd have the 2 FX5s to move to other tanks, I'd take the first one. Unless I had to buy the filters then I'll take the two AC110's.

BTW three 20" silver arent gonna do well in that tank


Now would you attempt to run that tank you described with just a single AC110 with no biomax, even if your tests showed parameters to be desirable?

 

[cvermeulen]

What exactly has been proven by any one? These are all just posted claims anyhow. Myself I only have ever had one experience where I did not have enough bio media. 65g tank with 3 6-7" RBPs in it and a peguin350 biowheel. So I'll base my experience on that.

And your experience was? And the reason you concluded the bio media was insufficient was?

Since when do we only bio filter our tanks anyhow?

Please don't deflect the topic. We're talking about bio filtration, not mechanical or chemical. Obviously there is all kinds of other media for other purposes, but for the purpose of keeping our water chemistry livable for our fish, Bio is the type of filtration we use. We can have another thread about the other two kinds if you want, as long as you don't call anyone names.