I do tend to agree that a set aside environment for biological filtration is a good idea for several reasons. I think the "no bio needed" argument came about as an answer to the "well how much is the minimum?" question. Obviously the minimum needed would have a lot to do with what you are keeping. The original point was not to advocate no bio at all, but to put some reality in people's minds when designing their filters and suggest that large bio towers are not generally required, so unless you want to build them for the hell of it, there's really not much point.
Why does everyone overdo the bio?
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Bderick67;3542220; said:
Come on BDerick... you understand bio filtration well enough to see the obvious cause for these mini cycles...
　
If you remove a portion of the bacteria... naturally you will go through a mini cycle...
　
All to often people want to engage in "in depth" conversations about filtration but then in the process of doing so they forget everything they learned in the 101 class...
nc_nutcase;3543014; said:
Yes I do understand it. The problem is that there are hundreds that do not understand it and suggesting this minimalist approach to bio filtration will do them(actually their fish) more harm then good.
I tell you what, keep an actual fish alive and happy for a few months in that bare ten gallon. If you can pull that off then maybe it is worth posting about, yet still probably not a good fish-keeping practice though.
Actually, one tiny fish could be supported by the amount of bacteria growing on the walls and decorations of a ten gallon tank. I'm thinking small betta or WCMM.
More than that. Think of all the surface area in the tank that is available. You can have a decent stock in that 10 gallon tank I bet over the coarse of a month or so to give the bacteria a chance to colonize and I am sure you would be fine.
Bderick67;3543301; said:
Well BDerick... wouldn't it make more sense to help people better understand what is really going on... as opposed to misleading them to believe that adding a bunch of bio media will solve their concerns?
In my experinece in life well beyond, as well as including fishkeeping... nothing beats a solid education or thorough understanding...
Using your approach of overkilling Bio Media as a "solution"... Doesn't solve the problem/conern for people who remove a portion of their bacteria. Miseducating them that extra Bio Media allows for removal of bacteria is putting their fish at risk... and people come here to be educated on ways to remove their fish from risk...
But giving them a fair and honest education / understanding allows them to make intelligent decisions and choices...
However you word it... I just can't support misinforming people even if you do it "for their own good"...
i have seen many people keep fish with little to no bb filtration many mag articles etc have been pub about it but to make them work they keep a light fish load in general to max out a tanks load you need some type of bb filtration besides what grows in the tank, driftwood etc now exactly how much is needed it seems hard to be exact
So the bare 10 gallon processing 5 ppm of ammonia was not worth posting about ?Bderick67;3543301; said:
I am starting the same experiment and ill tell ya what when its cycling 5 ppm a day Ill drop in a nice healthy tiger barb and feed him daily
Let you know when day 60 passes
