Why hybrids?

[kamikaziechameleon]

I think a lot of people getting into the hobby get confused as to the nature of these hybrids. I find fish being sold as "red devils" in my lfs are actually rejected flowerhorns. I agree that producing these fish is not the best part of this hobby but, if they are at least label them correctely.

It does sometimes feel hard to find real south Americans. I've seen this allot.

 

[dogofwar]

The fault, in my perspective, falls on the seller and purchaser.

Just as I expect my grocery store to properly label the hundreds of kinds of produce that it sells (even if the farm send them cabbage labeled as lettuce), I expect vendors to correctly label what they sell.

And it is the responsibility of purchasers who seek to maintain "pure" lines of fish to ask the right questions and require "provenance" back to known wild sources. Lots of "wild" fish on the market aren't.

Matt

But is the the fault of the hybridized or the store selling them? They could have labeled correctly in purchase but the store could have miss labeled them. I see mislabled pure species all the time.

 

[kamikaziechameleon]

It all comes down to money and people who care like us are the minority. As such LFS won't stop miss labeling fish any time soon.

 

[dogofwar]

I think that accurate labeling is an issue that's important whether fish are "wild-type" or "fancy".

If I think I'm buying a group of flowerhorns of a particular strain...and they turn out to be another (or a pure fish!)...I'm not happy.

If I think I'm buying one type of pure fish and it turns out to be another...I'm not happy.

Matt

It all comes down to money and people who care like us are the minority. As such LFS won't stop miss labeling fish any time soon.

 

[ScatMan]

The fault, in my perspective, falls on the seller and purchaser.

Just as I expect my grocery store to properly label the hundreds of kinds of produce that it sells (even if the farm send them cabbage labeled as lettuce), I expect vendors to correctly label what they sell.

And it is the responsibility of purchasers who seek to maintain "pure" lines of fish to ask the right questions and require "provenance" back to known wild sources. Lots of "wild" fish on the market aren't.

Matt

100% agree

i also want to ask everyone; if there's no way anyone can tell if a particular fish is completely pure (or not), what's the difference? why does it matter to you? if it falls within the definition of the species, isn't it still that species?

imo, if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it must be a...

^serious question, not trying to start something or prove any point.

i understand some people want pure lines (like pedigree dogs) but why is the pedigree important to you if you couldn't tell the difference between them and a mutt (other than on paper)? this is kind of the opposite of the op's question and is typically brought up by people who are against hybrids as their main reason that hybrids are bad (they spoil pure lines and nobody can tell).

 

[screaminleeman]

Firstly there is only one human species!

Not So!

It was proven beyond any shadow of a doubt that Homo Sapien Sapien did NOT evolve directly from the "different" Neanderthal human species. Homo Sapien Cro-magnon out competed with the "other" human species for all intent and purposes forcing it into extinction.

There was cross breeding between the species however and the Neanderthal lives on through that hybridization process in what you now term "the only human species".

Please realize that without hybridization we would not be having this discussion right now!

Did you see Clan of the Cave Bear? I was the furry Neanderthal monkey humping the bajeebas out of Darryl Hannah!

 

[EntoCraig]

Eh, I think Im done here...

Final thoughts:
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. That could be a genetically altered FrankenFish, a fish of complete genetic perfection, or anything in between.

I think we can all agree that better responsibility could be exercised by many that breed and sell Hybrids.

Enjoy the conversation! Unsubscribed.

 

[dogofwar]

The only way to tell if a fish is "pure" is to know - with certainty - from where it came...all the way back to the wild.

99% of fishkeepers really don't care whether the "convict" that they bought at the LFS is a mix of (the relatively newly described) Amatitlania species...or a single one...or whether the LFS can prove it or not.

Matt

100% agree

i also want to ask everyone; if there's no way anyone can tell if a particular fish is completely pure (or not), what's the difference? why does it matter to you? if it falls within the definition of the species, isn't it still that species?

imo, if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it must be a...

^serious question, not trying to start something or prove any point.

i understand some people want pure lines (like pedigree dogs) but why is the pedigree important to you if you couldn't tell the difference between them and a mutt (other than on paper)? this is kind of the opposite of the op's question and is typically brought up by people who are against hybrids as their main reason that hybrids are bad (they spoil pure lines and nobody can tell).